And now they want to ban muzzle loaders

[Shortround]

This will affect the hobby.

It appears the .50 caliber and larger bullets fired by our muskets is just like the .50 caliber rounds fired by the US Army's "Ma-Deuce". Also, the regulators claim there is a mysterious suppression devise found on muskets that allows them to be silently fired.

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/...xt-bump-stock/

It's 2017 going on to Orwell's 1984.

[Rob Weaver]

If this story has any credibility, it contains a remarkable number of utterly ignorant statements about muzzleloaders.

[NMVolunteer]

[insert political statement about source and author and context]

I think this is what the article is referencing: The Maxim 50

EDIT:
For those of you overseas and reading along, felons in the USA cannot buy firearms. However, blackpowder muzzleloaders are frequently treated by law as not being firearms, and most regulations related to firearms do not apply. The product in question is a hunting rifle that is exempt from firearms regulations, so that felons who have not been pardoned can still buy and use that rifle. It is completely unrelated to our hobby, and I think the two topics are being conflated.

EDI2: And for those that do not click my link, it is a modern muzzleloading rifle in. 50 caliber, with a flash and sound suppressor. Sound suppressors are typically restricted, with added fees; the suppressor on that is integrated into the muzzle, and is exempt from federal firearm laws related to suppressors.

[Rob Weaver]

<<sniff, nose in air>> that's not a muzzleloader; it's a .30-.6 that loads from the wrong end. Of course, any legislation concerning it wold be attempting to legislate the nonexistent, given that crime involving a muzzleloader is negligible, even in places with a strong hunting/muzzleloading culture. (Yeah, I know. We're probably edging the line of modern political commentary here, so everybody put on your company manners.)

[NMVolunteer]

The snob in all of us scoffs at that "muzzleloader". But the thread is 100% politics from the start because the topic is 100% politics and completely unrelated to true muzzleloaders. From a bureaucratic standpoint, that is not a firearm and is exempt from federal firearm laws; the manufacturer boasted that when they released it back in September, and they are technically correct. Technicalities, just as a bumpstock does not turn a semiautomatic firearm into a fully automatic firearm.

[Pvt Schnapps]

[insert political statement about source and author and context]

I think this is what the article is referencing: The Maxim 50

EDIT:
For those of you overseas and reading along, felons in the USA cannot buy firearms. However, blackpowder muzzleloaders are frequently treated by law as not being firearms, and most regulations related to firearms do not apply. The product in question is a hunting rifle that is exempt from firearms regulations, so that felons who have not been pardoned can still buy and use that rifle. It is completely unrelated to our hobby, and I think the two topics are being conflated.

EDI2: And for those that do not click my link, it is a modern muzzleloading rifle in. 50 caliber, with a flash and sound suppressor. Sound suppressors are typically restricted, with added fees; the suppressor on that is integrated into the muzzle, and is exempt from federal firearm laws related to suppressors.

You are correct. If you find the actual statement from Giffords' group referenced in the IJR/NRA hysteria, the weapon addressed is a modern, silenced muzzleloader specifically designed to exploit current exemptions for black powder antiques and replicas. You can see it here, on page 8 of the nine-page statement. The picture shows the Maxim 50. https://giffords.org/wp-content/uplo...-and-Legal.pdf

Giffords' group wants to ban this workaround. If that ends up forcing us to register our own muzzleloaders you can blame the NRA and the manufacturer for hijacking the exemption that currently protects us in order to sell an overpriced ($999), unnecessary monstrosity specifically designed to circumvent the law. Shame on them.

[Rob Weaver]

I'm curious. What are the sales figures for this curiosity? How many of them have actually been sold at this genuinely outrageous price?

[NMVolunteer]

Only the company knows. But according to Range365 and Ammoland, there are issues over state laws. I do not think their corporate lawyers did their research, or perhaps their marketing people did not talk to lawyers first.

[Rob Weaver]

LOL. That's kinda funny. I have a cobray .410 which, in addition to being a piece of junk, is one of those "barely legal stick in the eye" guns. But I only paid $60 for it. At least my son has fun shooting it. I can't think of a single instance where this "muzzleloader" would be in any way advantageous. And the price makes a fool of any consumer. It should die the death of the Lindsay rifled musket: unloved and unmourned.