This Is Serious Osha Black Powder

[Tarky]

THIS IS VERY SERIOUS AND NOT A JOKE!! OSHA is proposing a Rule change OSHA-2007-0032 that will seriously curtail the availability and add to the expense of shipping black powder, caps, and primers throught the delivery system. They want to make it difficult or impossible to ship these items through companies like UPS without physically changing their vehicles and how they handle these shipments. One individual made the statement it could add $30 to a pound of powder if you could get it.

This could be the effective end of all reenactments, all periods, black powder long range shooting hobbies, skeet shooting, and black powder hunting!!

Anyone who makes cartridges or loads at home could be affected.

JUST GOT TO GOOGLE AND TYPE IN "OSHA BLACK POWDER". AND GET AN EYEFULL. Right now, the NRA, and the NMLRA is aware, but all of you must act today!! contact your black powder friends, and Congressman to act on this-- Many of the folks in Congress were unaware of this because OSHA does not need their approval to pass such rules. This is a definite infringement on the 2nd Amendment when there is no problem with the current delivery systems.

ACT NOW!!

Tom Arliskas
Tarky
NSSA, NRA, and Civil War Living Historian.

[Justin Runyon]

It does not appear that this threatens what we do in anyway. As for small arms ammunition and smokeless powder, that may be a different story you be the judge. From what I can read it dos'nt touch the hobby.

http://www.nssf.org/news/PR_idx.cfm?...R=BP070207.cfm

[Tarky]

The price of powder if you could get it could be as much as $40 a pound. If the the manufacturers have to make drastic changes to how it is manufactured and sent-- The cost is past on to you!!

Go on Google and check OSHA Black Powder. This is a serious threat to how you get black powder for reenacting.

Tom Arliskas

[TimKindred]

Comrades,

read this whole proposal carefully, because what Tom is saying is absolutely true. One of the proposed regulations will prohibit any customer from approaching within 50 feet of ammunition or powder without a pat-down search by store employess. think how that will fly at your local gun stores, whicre usually much smaller. That would mean having to have a security checkpoint in the parking lot propr to entering the facility. Most retailers would simply stop selling ammunition.

This is absolutely BS legislation, and it's not even coming from Congress. This is from an AGENCY, so it doesn't even need Congress's approval to do this.

Call OSHA and complain about this legislation. This is absolutely NOT made-up stories from the internet. It's a back-door attempt to stop all sales of ammunition and ammo components.

Respects,

[huntdaw]

There is a public comment period on this until July 12. There is a thread on the AC forum that has the contact points.

I have submitted by comments and have also contacted my Representative and both Senators.

[Curt-Heinrich Schmidt]

Hallo!

In brief and to over-generalize...

I was talking with one of this state's two remaining BP commercial sellers-

"They said" it would require carriers such as FEDEX and UPS to modify their delivery trucks to have a "vault" and be a "non-sparking" environment as well.
"They said" it is unlikely companies would be willing to modify their fleet in such a way.
This would eliminate black powder deliveries to local suppliers/shops.

With that and the other "delivery/deliverer" regulations, Black Powder would not be BANNED, it would potentially just cease to be shipped or delivered by these common carriers. Vendors who deal with them, and have no other recourse would cease having BP to sell.
Not BANNING Black Powder, just regulating it to extinction for many of these suppliers.

Up until; July 12, 2007, "impact" statements and other public opinions can post comments to the proposed regulations to OSHA itself at:

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main

Enter OSHA-2007-0032 as the docket number in #4, then select exact phrase/comments and submit.

Curt-Heinrich Schmidt
Opposed to legislation-making by regulation-passing, and opposed to yelling "Bang!"

[Curt-Heinrich Schmidt]

Hallo!

Released by the NRA:

Proposed “Safety” Regulations Would Dry Up Ammunition Sales

Tuesday, July 03, 2007

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has proposed new rules that would have a dramatic effect on the storage and transportation of ammunition and handloading components such as primers or black and smokeless powder. The proposed rule indiscriminately treats ammunition, powder and primers as “explosives.” Among many other provisions, the proposed rule would:
• Prohibit possession of firearms in commercial “facilities containing explosives”—an obvious problem for your local gun store.
• Prohibit delivery drivers from leaving explosives unattended—which would make it impossible for delivery services such as UPS to deliver ammunition or gun powder.
• Require evacuation of all “facilities containing explosives”—even your local Wal-Mart—during any electrical storm.
• Prohibit smoking within 50 feet of “facilities containing explosives.”
It’s important to remember this is only a proposed rule right now, so there’s still time for concerned citizens to speak out before OSHA issues its final rule. The National Rifle Association, National Shooting Sports Foundation, and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Association will all be commenting on these proposed regulations, based on the severe effect these regulations (if finalized) would have on the availability of ammunition and reloading supplies to safe and responsible shooters.
The public comment period ends July 12. To file your own comment, or to learn more about the OSHA proposal, go to http://www.regulations.gov and search for Docket Number OSHA-2007-0032”; you can read OSHA’s proposal and learn how to submit comments electronically, or by fax or mail.
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OSHA Docket Office Docket No. OSHA-2007-0032 U.S. Department of Labor, Room N-2625 200 Constitution Ave., N.W. Washington, DC 20210 Re.: Docket No. OSHA-2007-0032 (Explosives—Proposed Rule)
Dear Sir or Madam:
I am writing in strong opposition to OSHA’s proposed rules on “explosives,” which go far beyond regulating true explosives. These proposed rules would impose severe restrictions on the transportation and storage of small arms ammunition—both complete cartridges and handloading components such as black and smokeless powder, primers, and percussion caps. These restrictions go far beyond existing transportation and fire protection regulations.
As a person who uses ammunition and components, I am very concerned that these regulations will have a serious effect on my ability to obtain these products. OSHA’s proposed rules would impose restrictions that very few gun stores, sporting goods stores, or ammunition dealers could comply with. (Prohibiting firearms in stores that sell ammunition, for example, is absurd—but would be required under the proposed rule.)
The proposed transportation regulations would also affect shooters’ ability to buy these components by mail or online, because shipping companies would also have great difficulty complying with the proposed rules. For instance, the rules against leaving any vehicle containing “explosives” unattended would make it impossible for companies such as United Parcel Service to deliver ammunition to businesses or consumers without massive changes in their operations (such as putting a second driver on any truck that might happen to deliver a case of shotgun shells).
There is absolutely no evidence of any new safety hazard from storage or transportation of small arms ammunition or components that would justify these new rules. I also understand that organizations with expertise in this field, such as the National Rifle Association, National Shooting Sports Foundation, and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Association, will be submitting detailed comments on this issue. I hope OSHA will listen to these organizations’ comments as the agency develops a final rule on this issue.
Sincerely,

Curt-Heinrich Schmidt

[HighPrvt]

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Vote Conservative!!!

[Curt-Heinrich Schmidt]

Hallo!

Lads who have been trying to send comments have been blocked by an OSHA "gatekeeper" called a "Docket Manager" who screens them and then passes them through.

Comments from June 28, 2007 are just now appearing.

Detailed Description of Request:
Entered on 07/03/2007 at 17:33:09 by Lon D:
Mr. Kirk,
Comments are not posted automatically. The docket manager will review the comments before posting them. Each agency has its own timeframe for posting comments (e.g., 2 days, 4 days, 1 week, etc.). Did you receive a message that your comment had been sent?
Lon
Regulations.gov Helpdesk
1-877-378-5457

Curt-Heinrich Schmidt

[Robert A Mosher]

I haven't had a chance to read the entire 55 pages of the proposed regulation - I do see a lot of stuff about making OSHA's regulations conform to regulations already in place at the Department of Transportation and other agencies - I can find the reference to smokeless powder - can anyone point out where it applies to black powder? or percussion caps such as used for reenacting weapons?

There's always time, btw, to contact your congressmen. I think Jim Webb in Virginia might be interested.

Robert A. Mosher