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    Default Maryland Division SCV honors USCT Veteran with gravestone dedication

    Interesting article published at SouthernMarylandNews.Com http://www.somdnews.com/stories/03262008/indyfea114220_32185.shtml

    Confederate descendants help honor Union soldier

    "It started less than two years ago when a local priest was able to secure a headstone for a Civil War soldier buried at St. Catherine’s Church in McConchie.


    Actually, it started way before that.
    The Rev. Edward P. O’Connell, a Bronx native, had been trying to get a grave marker for George Brown – a black farmer who fought for the Union – since the 1950s.
    No one was all that interested in helping the history buff priest.
    He tracked down every lead only to be turned down.

    Then, the Sons of Confederate Veterans said they would help".
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    Great story! There is a thread elsewhere related to "heritage not hate" and this article shows that some members of the SCV are definitely in it for the heritage. I have always thought both sides should be honored for their sacrifices even if you don't fully agree with all their reasons behind it.

    Bully for the "Maryland chapters of Confederate Sons" and the others who worked together to honor this Union soldier! It may have taken about 143 years, but some people are finally getting over the war!
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    What exactly do you mean.."finally getting over the war"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artyreb
    What exactly do you mean.."finally getting over the war"?
    It just seems that some people, supporters of both sides of the war have yet to get over it! This is an example of descendants of both sides coming together to honor a veteran. They have put aside the fact that their ancestors fought for different causes and have put aside the fact that they are of different races and are honoring the person for his bravery and sacrifice.

    The CSA ceased to exist in 1865, the Union was preserved, let's move on with life! Robert E. Lee did...James Longstreet did...John Singleton Mosby did...why can't we?

    Does that better explain my statement?
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    Default More on Cpl. George Brown's Headstone dedication

    Another news story on Cpl. George Brown's gravestone dedication

    http://www.somdnews.com/stories/0402...03_32202.shtml
    Terry from Occupied Baltimore
    "As I stood upon the very scene of that conflict, I could not but contrast my position with his, forty-seven years before. The flag which he had then so proudly hailed, I saw waving at the same place over the victims of as vulgar and brutal a despotism as modern times have witnessed."
    Francis Key Howard, Ft. McHenry 1861

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    [QUOTE=firstmdes]It just seems that some people, supporters of both sides of the war have yet to get over it! This is an example of descendants of both sides coming together to honor a veteran. They have put aside the fact that their ancestors fought for different causes and have put aside the fact that they are of different races and are honoring the person for his bravery and sacrifice.

    "The CSA ceased to exist in 1865, the Union was preserved, let's move on with life! Robert E. Lee did...James Longstreet did...John Singleton Mosby did...why can't we?"

    Millions of dollars of damage incurred upon personal property, over 600,000 dead, racial injustice, no, we will never totally get over it. Does that better explain my statement?"

    By no means, do I feel that the war is still being fought. However, we must remember, the death of over 600,000 men, most of whom had their lives snubbed away in their youth, isn't an issue that is likely to just die away, ever.
    Secondly, there are many parts of this nation, especially in the South, that still feel some of the results of the war.The war is over, yes, but those who died, well, there events during the war will never be forgotten.


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    Quote Originally Posted by madisontigers
    Millions of dollars of damage incurred upon personal property, over 600,000 dead, racial injustice, no, we will never totally get over it.

    By no means, do I feel that the war is still being fought. However, we must remember, the death of over 600,000 men, most of whom had their lives snubbed away in their youth, isn't an issue that is likely to just die away, ever.
    Secondly, there are many parts of this nation, especially in the South, that still feel some of the results of the war.The war is over, yes, but those who died, well, there events during the war will never be forgotten.
    I am not suggesting that we forget those who died or the events which took place. On the contrary, let's remember them and and honor them! You will see that in my earlier posts in this thread, I was praising the local SCV for assisting with the memorializing of a USCT veteran. This sort of thing is wonderful to see, but does not seem to happen very much!

    My point about getting over it was that Lee, Longstreet, Mosby and countless others who actually fought the fights and bled the blood were ready to admit defeat and move on with their lives. I understand not all of that generation of soldiers were so ready to forgive and forget, but if many of them can do it, why can't we? Do you mean to tell me that the physical and mental destruction caused by the U.S. Civil War is too great to overcome 140+ years later? WWII vets can visit Germany as tourists and speak in friendly ways to former enemies, Vietnam vets can visit a still communist nation and shake hands with former Viet Cong and North Vietnamese soldiers, but descendants of the old CSA cannot? Their ancestors fought a good fight and lost. Whatever their reasons for fighting, they admitted defeat. They did not take to the mountains and fight guerrilla war for generations after. They put down their weapons and took-up their lives as best they could.

    Should we return to Antebellum American laws? Allow slavery, the six-year presidential term, the line-item veto and any other "states rights" that were perceived as important enough to fight over? Would this allow the wounds to heal...make everyone happy?

    Oh,...and one more thing...there was "racial injustice" before Ft. Sumpter was fired on...it was called Slavery!
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstmdes
    I am not suggesting that we forget those who died or the events which took place. On the contrary, let's remember them and and honor them! You will see that in my earlier posts in this thread, I was praising the local SCV for assisting with the memorializing of a USCT veteran. This sort of thing is wonderful to see, but does not seem to happen very much!

    My point about getting over it was that Lee, Longstreet, Mosby and countless others who actually fought the fights and bled the blood were ready to admit defeat and move on with their lives. I understand not all of that generation of soldiers were so ready to forgive and forget, but if many of them can do it, why can't we? Do you mean to tell me that the physical and mental destruction caused by the U.S. Civil War is too great to overcome 140+ years later? WWII vets can visit Germany as tourists and speak in friendly ways to former enemies, Vietnam vets can visit a still communist nation and shake hands with former Viet Cong and North Vietnamese soldiers, but descendants of the old CSA cannot? Their ancestors fought a good fight and lost. Whatever their reasons for fighting, they admitted defeat. They did not take to the mountains and fight guerrilla war for generations after. They put down their weapons and took-up their lives as best they could.

    Should we return to Antebellum American laws? Allow slavery, the six-year presidential term, the line-item veto and any other "states rights" that were perceived as important enough to fight over? Would this allow the wounds to heal...make everyone happy?

    Oh,...and one more thing...there was "racial injustice" before Ft. Sumpter was fired on...it was called Slavery!
    It is unfortunate that the race issue had to be brought into the discussion. Attempting to turn the war into a morality play about race is a relatively modern phenomenon. While slavery was one of many factors leading to secession and subsequently the war, it is inaccurate to portray the war in racial terms. There were any number of individuals that owned slaves-blacks, whites and Native Americans. In fact, Anthony Johnson a free black in Virginia is generally recognized as the Father of chattel slavery in the United States.

    If the war was fought to achieve racial equality, there would have been no New York draft riots, Grant would have released his slaves prior to the passage of the 13th amendment and the gravestone of Private Brown would have read US, not USCT. Furthermore, Pvt. Brown would have received the same wages and equipment as his white counterparts. The US Colored Troops may have even been permitted to perform the task that they had so diligently trained to perform at the Battle of the Crater.
    However, Burnside refused to allow them to lead, replacing the USCT with untrained white US troops.

    "With the desperate situation in the crater, the racism of white Union soldiers became blatant. Knowing that the Confederates would give no quarter to black troops if taken prisoner, white soldiers feared that they would suffer the same if caught with black soldiers. They thus began to bayonet their own comrades in arms."
    Terry from Occupied Baltimore
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    Francis Key Howard, Ft. McHenry 1861

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    I agree that slavery was not the only factor to cause war, though it was a factor. The only reason race came up in this discussion is because Mr. Long stated that "racial injustice" was a result of the war. That is patently untrue. The antebellum existance of slavery, cause or not of the war, proves there was racial injustice well before the end of the war and therefore not a result of the war.

    Yes, the Colored Troops were segregated, underpaid, not trusted by some and hated by others, but it was a step towards equality. A step that was taken in each war after. Black soldiers, sailors and airmen through many of the 20th century wars were still trying to prove their use and equal to whites. Those who joined the USCT deserve the recognition they fought for and earned. In this case, the recognition came from the SCV, a move that I applaud.

    My original post was applauding the working together of people from both sides. It boggles my mind that my comment about putting differences aside has caused such negative reactions. Maybe this disagreement proves my point that many more people need to get over the war...
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    However, Burnside refused to allow them to lead, replacing the USCT with untrained white US troops.
    Just a minor correction here - it was Meade that refused to allow the USCT troops to lead the attack for which Burnside had selected and extensively trained them.
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