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    But, what has always disheartened me was that the mods on this board were as active as they were in the attempted ouster and destruction of that event.
    For the record, contrary to the above accusation, we moderators, as moderators, have no interests in the promotion, organization or functioning of any event. Our function as moderators is solely to insure that dialog on this forum is conducted in a respectful manner - as it would be at a dinner party. We tend only to step in when the the parties in the discussion no longer are showing proper respect for the other parties in the discussion. These are obviously judgment calls on our part and, being human, we do sometimes make mistakes and/or miss the more subtle insults that are based upon specific events known only to the participants. Unfortunately, we moderators are only human but we do try to do our jobs in as unbiased manner as possible.

    Also, there have been times that we have let some discussions play out for the purpose of allowing all the parties to give their sides of the story in order to let the full story finally come out. The incident WTH describes is one in which it became apparent that there had been an apparent and significant breakdown in communications between the Perryville park staff and the AOT command staff. Unfortunately WTH had not been aware of that breakdown and ended up being caught in the middle of a firestorm when he made his post because it ran counter to the what the AOT had thought the park staff had agreed to. Again, WTH was acting in good faith on the requests of the Park staff and was totally unaware that his post was exposing a serious breakdown in communications between the AOT commander, the overall commander for the CSA side as appointed by the park staff, and the park staff itself. Another example of a controversy being allowed to play out until the full story played out was the case where a PaARNG unit was initially severely condemned and official complaints were lodged through the state Army National Guard's chain of command against the unit's Bn commander by the organizers of the Remembrance Day Parade because of its color guard falling into the parade at the explicit request of the commander of the reenactor unit with whom they fell in. Again, this was the result of a grave misunderstanding which ultimately came to light through discussions on this forum.
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    Jeff,

    I tried explaining that in not so many words and they stiff don't understand that. I believe they just don't wan mainstream people on the field anywhere till they do get all there stuff. the chp's could be given historic information to them by the hand of God himself!!! and they would still dispute it. To let everyone know, I'm a progressive and my gear gets upgarded every year. I'm trying to get new stuff by the next season.

    If you guys think about it, this whole CHP vs. Mainstream thing is like a school yard. "my stuff is better than yours", "don't play with us till you have the name brand stuff, like ours, then we'll think about letting you play with us."

    It takes some remembering, but it sounds familiar. But! this is my view of it. It makes me laugh every time.
    Jay
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    Correstion, is open arms is what I got, I hate to see what you do to other new members. thats why I left.
    What, exactly, does this mean? I can't make heads or tails out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malingerer
    What, exactly, does this mean? I can't make heads or tails out of it.
    sorry lack of sleep, What I was trying to say was, I wasn't treated very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbl
    Sure...why can't canoes take part in the America's Cup?
    Obviously elitism has ruined that hobby.
    Roger "Rog" Johns

    ...you end up with Outpost 2007, which featured one handed mounted cav carbine firing whilst on the move...a CSA cav charge against an inf company that resulted in some captured feds (and we didn't even get to eat the presumably shredded horses)...company's manuevering as seperate battalions...a waste of ammo powder burning night fight. - RJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memphis
    Obviously elitism has ruined that hobby.
    I'm starting to wonder myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohioreb1861
    If you guys think about it, this whole CHP vs. Mainstream thing is like a school yard. "my stuff is better than yours", "don't play with us till you have the name brand stuff, like ours, then we'll think about letting you play with us."

    Let's put this one to rest once and for all:
    There are horse anal openings on both sides of the argument. There are personality types on both sides, and everywhere in the middle, that I wouldn't associate with given the choice. Fortunately, they are, by far, the exception rather than the rule along the reenactor spectrum. Unfortunately, some of them seem compelled to haunt the various fora, believing that any opinion contrary to their own is a personal attack upon their right to breathe air. This is, of course, pure undiluted male bovine fecal matter.

    I've been called everything from a hardcore wannabe to a militant farb in campaigner clothing. Coming from the persons who made both claims, I take them both as a compliment. I've played with both sides. Apparently I'm doing something right, or both sides wouldn't have people who don't like me.

    There's not a single one of us who is worth the effort to try to destroy his reputation or reeancting pursuits. I'm sorry, but we just aren't that critical to the world's existance to warrent such expenditure of time, money and effort, and for sure none of us are powerful enough to actually be able to pull it off.

    You are correct about one thing: The entire pissing contest between "them and us" is juvenile. The part you're not quite seeing is that it originates from persons on both sides of the hobby, not just the cph. It's understandable that if one is on one side of the question, it is most obvious that the other side has faults, but an honest assessment demonstrates a relatively equal amount of pissy-ness no matter where it originates. Been there, done that, got the stains on my sackcoat, front and back, from standing in the middle.

    Some believe that you should reenact as accurately as you can. Others believe that you should reenact as accurately as you want. Some even believe you can move between the extremes and live in both worlds. All have their place, and believe it or not, there is room for all to attend the same events under proper conditions and tolerance levels in order to achieve common goals.

    Hearsay is common to both sides; both sides are generally misinformed when relying upon it. Ditch the paranoia, pre-conceived notions and rumors and dig for the facts of what is actually said and done. You'll probably find that most of it is pure bunkum (look it up), and unworthy of consideration.
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    ... is it just me or is it hilarious that Michael comer demands a reply of me, and then slinks off into the night without acknowledging that I did so??

    And, nothing the mods here can say will erase what they tried to do to Perryville '06. Fact is, they colluded with certain parties to undermine the event. It almost worked, too.

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    Didn't slink off. Read your reply. I just didn't think it was worth the effort and time to get into an argument that would never end.

    I posted and you answered. I did not know I was supposed to do a rebuttal and keep the thing going. You and I have a difference of opinion about the hobby. In some things I'm sure we agree. Let's just let it go at that.
    Michael Comer

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    Let's just let it go at that.
    Fine.

    But, a "thanks" would have been nice. Especially when you probably assumed that I wouldn't answer at all.

    Have a nice day.

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