Now, I'm sure you mean "stitch validation tent" only at early war events, right? Later in the war, they didn't have tents for that purpose of course... especially on the Confederate side....stitch validation tent.
Still, your post imagines I have never had contact with a CPH event or any of its adherents.
You would be wrong.
Doug Thomas,
As always, I appreciate your feelings. I have always only done the best I can... even as I take fire from the front and rear at times!
The shame is, that boards like this often do far more harm than good. How Perryville '06 was about destroyed by so many on this board and those who run it is a perfect example of that trouble. They set out to ruin the event and smear many of its participants and they nearly succeeded with the mods' help.
We won, though, but it was a hard fought battle before the first musket was fired. We had a great event, and all concerned (and I do mean ALL) did a fantastic job when it was all said and done.
But THIS place didn't help even a tiny bit. And it rarely does.
WTH
Go ahead -- fall in with Bill. I'll do the paperwork and you'll have the time of your life.Originally Posted by indguard
M. A. Schaffner
Midstream Regressive Complainer
I don't quite understand you Mr. Huston. I do not know you so all I have to go by are your posts on this forum. But the impression I have gotten over the past based on your posts is that you tend to stir things up and then try to portray yourself as the victim.
If I remember correctly, a lot of the flap about Perryville was started by you. I also think that a lot of the flap on this particular thread was started by you with an attack on all those that didn't agree with your particular style of reenacting.
I haven't seen any mainstream bashing on the AC for a while. But I have seen CPH bashing here. Seems like there's a contradiction there. Yet, all we ever hear is how awful the folks on the AC are yet folks here are so nice and loving that they welcome everyone with open arms. Yet, the posts that show up seem to point to the exact opposite.
So, why do you continue to frequent this particular forum when you wish to belittle it so much, basically saying it's pretty worthless as far as contributing to the hobby?
I'm not trying to make a personal attack here - just stating what my impressions are based on the only thing I have to go on and trying to figure out where the truth lies amid all the contradictions.
Michael Comer
Ya see now, right there: That there's your problem.
You are trying to maintain cordial and respectful discussion rather than factional one-upmanship. You are bent on taking each person's posts as being an accurate reflection of their true intentions, thoughts and feelings. You are holding to the naive belief that we can all gather here and hold meaningful and gentlemanly (or lady-like) conversation and debate without choosing to take offense. You seem intent upon believing that, despite our differing philosophies of what makes us happy in this hobby, that more than one viewpoint is possible.
Everyone knows that everyone else on these fora has a hidden agenda bent on destroying the hobby, and that only "you" (the universal "you") can stop the degeneration of the hobby.
Well, let me tell you one thing right here, Mister: Good for you!
Bernard Biederman
30th OVI
Co. B
[QUOTE=huntdaw]
I haven't seen any mainstream bashing on the AC for a while. But I have seen CPH bashing here. Seems like there's a contradiction there. Yet, all we ever hear is how awful the folks on the AC are yet folks here are so nice and loving that they welcome everyone with open arms. Yet, the posts that show up seem to point to the exact opposite. /QUOTE]
Correstion, is open arms is what I got, I hate to see what you do to other new members. thats why I left.
Jay
Dirty Mucket Mess
I see that to this very day you are still convinced that the "mods'" helped ruin the Perryville event....We've seen you list that the mods are against you before. I was at Perryville and know some of those who helped planned it. No "mods'" man! But you know that already. So what's your beef with them?
WTH
I do not know you that well, but I know your heart. Those that want to beat on you don't know me. Mill Springs this year was a joke, I know that as well as you. I'm not a hard man to find at any event in Kentucky. Keep up the good work.
Always Doug
Lyons
Holding on the High ground
Mr. Comer,
I will take your post one sentence at a time in reply and then finish with some further commentary.
Your "impression" is irrelevant. You come from one ideological position, so ANY questioning of "your side" is seen by you as an out and out attack. No questioning of your folk is permitted. I, on the other hand, represent no "side." I call the situation as I see it with no "side" as my launching grounds.I don't quite understand you Mr. Huston. I do not know you so all I have to go by are your posts on this forum. But the impression I have gotten over the past based on your posts is that you tend to stir things up and then try to portray yourself as the victim.
First of all, I did not appear on this thread until 3 DAYS after it started, so for you to say "a lot of the flap on this particular thread was started by" me is absurd on its face.If I remember correctly, a lot of the flap about Perryville was started by you. I also think that a lot of the flap on this particular thread was started by you with an attack on all those that didn't agree with your particular style of reenacting.
And your Perryville claim is not true at all. Again, you come from the so-called hardcore side and my part in that situation was portrayed by the mods and the hardcore community as a personal attack on them when it was nothing of the kind.
You are completely uninformed on the actual situation. Let me try to explain it better.
As to my actions prior to Perryville, none were without sanction. In FACT, I made NO move, posted NO message, and advocated for NO policy or direction that I was not ASKED in advance to advocate for by the Perryville staff. Every action I took was feted through the state parks personnel before I made them. That some of those actions were not in line with the agenda of folks outside the park was neither may fault nor my concern. I was asked to do a job, my ground rules were laid out in advance, I accepted that position and followed through with that work on that basis. That I did not quake in terror at the so-called "authority" of the hardcore community and did not buckle under their badgering, cajoling, hatred, and troublemaking is all YOU are attacking me for.
Your admission here that they have done it in the past sort of invalidates your seeming absolution for them for not having done it lately! So, a mass murderer should be excused if he hasn't killed anyone lately? Still, if the AC Forum has turned over a new leaf and decided that bashing is not their "thing," then I applaud them for that and hope they keep it up. But don't act as if they don't do it there when we both know they have and don't act as if members of the AC Forum don't sit about half their day making fun of the farbs at every mainstream event they attend. Farb catcalling is nearly a hobby within a hobby for them! I see it every single year. It is disingenuous to claim it doesn't happen.I haven't seen any mainstream bashing on the AC for a while. But I have seen CPH bashing here. Seems like there's a contradiction there.
Your perception is not necessarily reality. And, what does this have to do with me, anyway? I do not come to this board constantly attacking the AC Forum. ****, I don't even go there! I doubt you'll be able to even find a post where I've even mentioned the AC Forum. The times I went there, though, I found it chock full of great info. But, I have no axe to grind with that forum, per se.Yet, all we ever hear is how awful the folks on the AC are yet folks here are so nice and loving that they welcome everyone with open arms. Yet, the posts that show up seem to point to the exact opposite.
Your going from questions to me directly then veering off to what others have done is what is called a straw man tactic in debate. Since I have not attacked the AC Forum here, tarring me with that brush is dishonest.
Now, you may not find any quotes of me attacking the AC Forum, but you WILL see some from me saying that we owe gratitude to the hardcore movement. Without their hard work we would not have as much knowledge of the material culture of the era we love so much as we now do. They have been indispensable for our greater understanding of the era.
Why to see what you are saying about me of course! Wait, am I violating a law by coming to a place that I feel is not worth a whole lot? Ever heard of entertainment?So, why do you continue to frequent this particular forum when you wish to belittle it so much, basically saying it's pretty worthless as far as contributing to the hobby?
No, you are saying what you have been told about me by folks in the purported hardcore community that have an axe to grind against me. You are parroting their bias and simply assuming them 100% correct. But, then again, it is natural to trust your pards.I'm not trying to make a personal attack here - just stating what my impressions are based on the only thing I have to go on and trying to figure out where the truth lies amid all the contradictions.
The fact is, various people outside the Perryville parks desperately wanted to get me eliminated from the Perryville event despite that I was only doing what I was asked to do, nothing more and nothing less. That fight was carried out on this board with the active assistance and participation by the mods here. I was also attacked on several other boards (only one of which I replied on. I left the others go without comment).
What it all comes down to is that I dared to defy certain people who imagined themselves to be the rulers of all they surveyed in the hobby.
I won.
Your side lost.
Too bad for you.
But, what has always disheartened me was that the mods on this board were as active as they were in the attempted ouster and destruction of that event.
Still, I had a great time there, enjoyed working with the AOT (an organization that did a fantastic job on grounds that weekend) and left that event proud of our achievements and with a wealth of memories. Everything went great despite the attempts by so many here who tried their darndest to destroy everything.
I saw the absolute worst of the so-called hardcore community at the Perryville 2006 event. I saw how destructive this board could be.
There is no reason for me to forgive and forget. Mainly because there was never any rapprochement for such a forgiveness, They lost, we went on with the event, and they slunk away into the night never to mention it again.
Since then, I've learned never to trust this board or the moral authority of the claimed hardcore community.
I hope this helped answer some of your questions, if answers are, indeed, what you were looking for.
Yours,
WTH
Last edited by indguard; 10-03-2007 at 05:05 AM.
money and time
OK, while we're getting way off the original subject, in response to the original question, why do mainstreamers do what they do- MONEY and TIME. Working 55 + hours a week, trying to make ends meet, raising a family, trying to make time for events (and stay married) taking an interest in history, I'll try to answer the original questions
1. Stainless steel- easier to take care of, less time
2. 22oz navy purple coats- I don't know, I've had my $159.00 uniform special from C&C sutlery for over 3 years now and can't complain one bit. 30+ events, rain, shine, no problems.
3. Modern work boots- as long as their black, until we save up the $100. + for decent brogans
4.Modern glasses- money- too much for original ones made to modern prescriptions
5. Plastic bottles- Ignorance, no excuse. Please bring it to their attention
6. cigarettes- Ignorance, ditto as above (maybe rip the filters off? ) I chew anyway!
7.Coolers- Try to keep them hidden or easily make a period correct one from a styrofoam filled wooden box
8. Coleman heaters- no excuse- bring an extra army surplus blanket
9.Flashlights- sometimes in the middle of the night it's the quickest thing to see- I try not to abuse it
10. Air beds- No excuse- SUCK IT UP-it's only 1-2 nights!!!
11. It's tough getting into a hobby 100% if you don't know if you'll stick with it- go a little bit at a time to see if you are really interested in it before spending gobs of dough. I know- I've been into classic cars ("67 Mustang Fastback), Dirtbikes, rollerblading, fishing, etc. All hobbies have there extreme hardcores, don't spend a ton of dough until you decide if you really like it. If you do, upgrade a little at a time, that way you stay married!
I know, I'm in it for the long haul (my family goes back to 1630) but for a newbie it's tough to commit a ton of money to a hobby you may not stick with. Don't get intimidated into thinking it"s hardcore or nothing at all- we appreciate you being there and turning out in numbers
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