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    reminds me of my neighbors house in missouri. it has a secret room in the attic... you have to go through the crawl through door, which gives you the attic, then you have to do several turns and then walk (and not fall) over some roof rafters, and there you see a room with an old straw mattress. currently there is no way to get to it, but its not a far jump down (but noone wants to chance the floor not holding!), also the rafters on the other side of the room are charred. anyways... the people who bought it figure it was from the underground railroad. i said theres no way. they said sure it was. i said no its not.. the house was built in 1915!!!! they were told when they bought the house that there was a secret room that was used to house the run away slaves during the civil war. i just laughed... obviously someone doesnt know when the civil war was!!

    it would be interesting to figure out what that room was for though. i have the feeling there used to be a door that lead to it downstairs on the second floor and its been covered up somewhere. though we still have a hard time figuring out where the room is exactly in the house.. if that makes any sense. you take enough turns through the rafters it gets confusing. and it seems the whole house space is already taken up.
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    Old houses often have strange, unexplained spaces in them. Or, to give the original builders credit, these houses have space that most modern people don't understand.

    This leads me to disclose, for the first time in a forum such as this, My Secret Shame.

    I was a first-year Park Ranger at Valley Forge National Park. One of my jobs was to lead walking tours of the grounds around Washington's Headquarters. In the Headquarters area were several other 18th century buildings and at least one 19th century eyesore (slated for demolition). This circa 1850 building "looked old" because it was in disrepair, and many people assumed that it was "more real" than the well-maintained 18th century buildings around it.

    In the back yard of this building was a root cellar, rising perhaps 3 feet around the surrounding lawn. This was a constant source of questions from visitors (yes, most of them wanted to know if this was the "Famous Escape Tunnel"). I would politely inform them that it was a root cellar, that many of the houses in the area once had them, then try to get the group moving again.

    One group, however, would not relent. "What is it REALLY?", they asked.

    "A root cellar."

    "No, REEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYY?"

    Finally, I had enough. It was hot, late in the day and I was dreaming of a cold beer and taking my shoes off.

    "OK, you got me. We don't tell most people this, but THAT (pointing to the mound) is a grave!"

    The crowd was suitably impressed. I decided to embellish.

    "Not a human grave, however. Do you see this building over here (gesturing to the stables nearby)?"

    "Was it for General Washington's horse?", one brave soul ventured.

    "No," I intoned in a solemn and secretive fashion, "It is far stranger than that. You see, General Washington was given a special gift by the King of Siam-- a matched pair of war elephants."

    The crowd gasped.

    "One of the two, regrettably, perished on the long ocean journey. The other, Skippy, made it all through the Philadelphia Campaign before dying here at Valley Forge from lack of proper forage. Washington, touched by Skippy's devotion, had him buried here so that he could visit his grave each day."

    Wide-eyed in wonder, one visitor glanced from the mound to me and said "Is all that TRUE?"

    "No. That is a root cellar."

    But he didn't believe me.

    The NPS ran a bulldozer through house and root cellar in the 1990's, depriving the American people their rightful opportunity to pay homage to Skippy and his role in securing our treasured liberties...
    Andrew Batten

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    Default I had to look.....House of the Seven Gables

    House of the Seven Gables, Salem Mass....

    "...One of the most unique features of the House of the Seven Gables is a secret staircase discovered in the late 1800s that leads directly from the first to the third floor. Beside the fireplace in the formal dining room is a small arched door that leads to a closet-like room where wood for the fire would be stored. The back of this room had a rough wood wall that swings open to reveal the steep, narrow stairway. No one knows why the stairway exists, one theory is that it was built by the original owner's son and was used by servants to get to their living quarters in the attic."

    "The more intriguing was that it may have been used by Suzannah Ingersoll to hide runaway slaves on the underground railroad..."
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    Default Gotcha!

    Quote Originally Posted by redleggeddevil
    You see, General Washington was given a special gift by the King of Siam-- a matched pair of war elephants."
    Hah! I would have had you right there! I've seen "The King and I", and I know the king of Siam sent those elephants to Lincoln, not Washington!
    Yours, &c.,

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    Good thing you weren't on that tour. You would have spoiled my most vivid memory of government service!
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    Default I had to look some more...

    http://www.ci.newton.ma.us/jackson/news/nurnf.asp

    Jackson Homestead Newton Massachusetts

    "...Other evidence corroborates Ellen’s reminiscence. An 1893 letter from William I. Bowditch (1819-1909), the conductor mentioned in Ellen’s account above, to Wilbur H. Seibert, author of The Underground Railroad from Slavery to Freedom (189, provides this evidence. Bowditch’s letter is preserved in the W. H. Siebert papers at the Ohio Historical Society. In this letter Bowditch was answering some of Seibert’s questions as the author was preparing his book. Bowditch wrote:
    We had no regular route and no regular station in Massachusetts. I have had several fugitives in my house. Generally I passed them on [to] Wm. Jackson at Newton. His house being on the Worcester Railroad, he could easily forward any one.
    The letter is referenced in a footnote on page 132 of The Underground Railroad from Slavery to Freedom. Bowditch, whose Brookline home is also on the National Underground Railroad Network the Freedom, is known to have harbored William and Ellen Craft, Henry "Box" Brown, as well as other freedom seekers...."

    Also..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...road_locations

    Category:Underground Railroad locations

    No, I'm not recommending wikipedia as a primary source.
    Respects, Scott B. Lesch

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    Post Resources

    May I humbly suggest the following National Geographic web page as a starting point. There are some good first-person accounts listed there. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/railroad/randl.html

    I might also suggest perusing the newspapers of Milwaukee, Racine and Waukesha, WI, around March 11 of 1854, when runaway slave Joshua Glover was busted out of jail by a large mob of abolitionists, white and black. (Including newspaper editor Sherman Booth, who, when residing on the East Coast, was involved in assisting the captives from the Amistad.) A recently released, well researched book on this episode and Mr. Glover's escape/life afterward is, "Finding Freedom: The Untold Story of Joshua Glover, Runaway Slave", by Ruby West Jackson & Walter McDonald and published by WHS Press (Wisconsin Historical Society). Web page:
    http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whsp...sp?book_id=314

    Another documented & interesting episode is the 1842 escape of Caroline Quarlls. Synopsis & links at http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/topics/undergroundrr/

    Hope these are useful.
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    Many thanks for the recommendations! I shall start digging through your suggested resources tonight.

    The Underground Railroad is such a fascinating topic that it deserves far better exposure than it has ever gotten. Instead, all too often, it gets spun into a feel-good fairy tale almost totally unconnected to documented history. This leads in turn to cynicism, since it becomes almost a joke that every pre-1865 structure (and, as I mentioned above, some post-1865) claims to have been a "station" on the Underground Railroad. It has become the 19th century equivalent of "Washington Slept Here."

    I have been visiting historic sites for most of my life. Of those I have visited, I would conservatively estimate that between 75 and 100 claimed to be part of the Underground Railroad (4 in my hometown, forsooth!). To date, my research has not turned up one piece of concrete documentation connecting a single one of these buildings to the UR.

    It will be refreshing to sink my teeth into some facts for a change.
    Andrew Batten

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    Maysville Ky is a river town. Located on the banks of the Ohio River, it is a hotspot for UGRR activity. The community of Washington lays about 4-5 miles outside of Maysville. It is reported that Harriett Beecher Stowe got inspiration to write her book while in Washington visiting relatives. She supposedly witnessed a slave auction. Couple that with a river town so close to freedom and the stories are thick. When I was a kid, I spent my summers working on my grandfather’s horse farm (in Mason County). My grandmother told me stories that she had heard as a kid and would point out the houses in and around town that were reported to have been used as stops on the UGRR. While I am sure there were some houses in the area, I doubt as many as she had been told. It was also a station back before statehood. The “fort” had an old cellar that was used to hide from Indians during raids (according to local legend it was used as a stop on the UGRR later on).

    I will have to search through some of mom’s stuff, but I had a list from the local sheriff who had captured runaways in Mason County. I also have a picture of the jail that was originally erected to house blacks during the period.

    As far as secret rooms…I know some of you have seen Radio. The talk about a mentally challenged youth who was held under the porch isn’t as rare as you may think. Back in the day it was rare to send a family member off to an institution, instead they were kept in the attic or cellar. Usually they were kept away from site because it was an embarrassment to the family. The “challenged” was rarely if ever in contact with very many people at all other than for food. When I was a kid in the early 70’s the folks down the road had a challenged son, he was in his 40’s then. He lived in a chicken coop (with chickens) while his parents (in their 70’s) lived up the hill in the house. My parents, one a social worker the other a teacher, made inquiries. Basically, he was in good health and an adult, not much you could do. When we later moved, our new landlord had taken in his niece who had Down’s. They had no children of their own and raised her as a daughter. But she was sent by her parents out to the country to be hidden away (this was late 70’s). I think that a lot of these “secret” rooms could have been used for anything, and my Radio example is just one of many probabilities.

    My brother just bought a 170 year old house, well part of it (a very small part) and guess what, the basement has a secret room! We both think it was probably used to…..make booze during prohibition. Although he has been turning up a lot of very old silver spoons on the hill behind the house…..could it have been payment for the use of the UGRR or perhaps hidden for fear that Morgan’s Raiders were coming, they did come within about 30 miles. But we both agree you could build a good size still and there is a spring that flows about a foot away from the secret room.

    Give us an inch and we will make our own history, give us that foot of wall and some copper tubing and we will make our own……
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    Default Tunnels

    Sorry, I forget where I read this I think it might have been in a newspaper article. I read that some of those tunnels were used for slaves to move around the houses without being seen or lead to the kitchen...which in older houses, we all know, is not attached to the main house in case of a fire. I found a similar link.

    http://www.africaresource.com/content/view/350/202/

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