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    Hey guys! The following is a letter sent to me from a conspiracy theorist who believes that our own government created 9/11 and is involved in a cover-up and he goes on to say stuff about our troops. Here is the letter from a YouTube.com member and tell me what you think of these Conspiracy Theorist:

    "DiamondsAreTheBest says:

    First off, I would never go to fight in a war to help line the pockets of a few neo conservatives, and to further degrade everything our forefathers fought for. That war has nothing to do with "Freedom" or "Liberty". It has everything to do with "Imperialism" and "the end of Freedom". Sadly, those soldiers are pawns put forth to fight and die for the expansion of American imperialism. Nothing more. Nothing less. That war along with the one we are about to go into with Iran, and soon to create a total WW3 was put in motion based on a giv't sponsored false flag attack: The attacks of 9/11. Nothing more. Nothing less. (Read the PNAC, and read what Leo Strauss and Kristol taught - that will help). You need understand why, before you freak out and jump up and down with your delusional claims that our government would never do such a a thing.

    The reason "Operation Northwoods" is so important is becasue it shows that it isn't unheard of to create a fake terror attack upon it's own people. It clearly talks of staging terror attacks in DC, Miami and other places. It clearly talks of sinking an American ship. If you try to justify to yourself that that document doesn't simply state that our government intended to stage terror attacks by killing innocent people to fool the public into going to war, then you need to go back take a deep breathe and read it again. I'll say to you again, I'll fight for freedom, not to destroy it. You time in the military doesn't impress me. The Vietnam War was not about the expansion of freedom. It had nothing to do with defending our country. Like Iraq, Iran and soon to be the rest. The wars in Iraq by the way are going exactly as planned. The public blindly thinks that it's going poorly due to incomptence, while that serves as a perfect cover for their intentions: by using our military as pawns they want to create totla unrest in the middle east, further creating an enemy that was never there before in order to futher justify expanding it. No different than what they did with 9/11: create an enemy out of thin air. I again urge you to read the work of Leo Strauss and the rest of the neo con teachers.

    A very informative documentary on google video created by the BBC called "The Power Of Nightmares" goes into deep detail about how the neoo cons movement was created, it's theology, one that finds freedom of thought and expression to be an enemy of the state - as it creates a mass of people not rallied behind one idea; one that finds lying to it's people to help further build that oneness bond - religion is a great example of that - the neo cons called religion similar to Playto's 'noble lie'. Once Russia was no longer a threat the neo conservatives needed a new threat to further expand America, they saw it as an open window of opportunity. Particularly with a perfect moron patsy like Bush to blame everything on. Sorry to tell you sir, but 9/11 was created by the neo conservatives. They had the means motive and opportunity, and they did a sloppy sloppy job of covering it up. "Operation Northwoods" is very important as it shows that this government has thoguht of and carfeully planned false flag terror attacks on it's own people to sway public opinion for war. And to compare your little 'white whither' stories... I watched those people jump from those buildings, and I also know a man that was in the basement who is heavily scarred from a bomb that went off moments before the the first plane hit the towers. The evidence is all over the place, but much of the American people are both too stubborn and too frightened at the idea of looking into it. But that's going to change... I along with the rest of the brave Americans willing to step up to defend this Republic are going to expose it. Because we believe in teh rule of law and fight for something genuinely worth fighting for."
    Wil Clark
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    Have 12 ancestors that fought for the Union
    "To charge the enemy or enter a battle when one knows that there is no hope of success, requires courage of a much higher order than when the soldier is sustained by the enthusiasm born of hope."
    -- Colonel St. Clair A. Mulholland

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    Having read all of these 9/11 theories, including ones about non-airliners (military-type aircraft) being "substituted" for the actual planes, Israelis piloting the planes by remote control using hacked Global Hawk technology, and others you probably never heard of, I can tell you one thing:

    If the official version of what happened that day were put out there on the 'Net by some yahoo as a "conspiracy theory", it just might be the least believable version of all.

    ...

    (Can we get back to the Civil War now?)
    Yours most respectfully, your obedient servant,

    R. L. ("Rob") Griffiths.
    Company "G", 157th N.Y. Vols.
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    "I am not aware of ever having used a profane expletive in my life, but I would have the charity to excuse those who may have done so, if they were in charge of a train of Mexican pack mules at the time." - U. S. Grant

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    Default (Can we get back to the Civil War now?)

    I enjoyed South Park's take on the "conspiracy", that the Govt. wished that we thought it was powerful and competent enough to fake an attack.

    How about that St. Alban's Raid?
    Respects, Scott B. Lesch

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbl
    I enjoyed South Park's take on the "conspiracy", that the Govt. wished that we thought it was powerful and competent enough to fake an attack.

    How about that St. Alban's Raid?
    I believe South Parks version

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pvt_Jack_Bauer
    I believe South Parks version
    Yeah I know these conspiracy theorist are wackos and South Park captured the essence of those kinds of people in a funny kind of way.

    What gets me though is why bring up an old outdated plan, "Operation Northwoods", that McNamera shot down in 1962? Are these Conspiracy nutcases actually gonna back to the time of the Civil War and pick stuff out of context to pin it on the government from back then? I hope not!
    Last edited by CivilWarBuff1863; 03-21-2007 at 09:46 AM.
    Wil Clark
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    "To charge the enemy or enter a battle when one knows that there is no hope of success, requires courage of a much higher order than when the soldier is sustained by the enthusiasm born of hope."
    -- Colonel St. Clair A. Mulholland

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    Wil,

    Have you heard of Otto Eisenschiml?
    Respects, Scott B. Lesch

    My History and Toy Soldier "blog"

    http://ilikethethingsilike.blogspot.com/


    Helping my employers achieve the American Dream since 1978.

    If there's one thing I can't stand seeing, it's Americans fighting Americans.
    ~Dan Aykroyd as Sergeant Frank Tree in 1941

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbl
    Wil,

    Have you heard of Otto Eisenschiml?
    To honestly say? No I haven't!
    Wil Clark
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    Have 12 ancestors that fought for the Union
    "To charge the enemy or enter a battle when one knows that there is no hope of success, requires courage of a much higher order than when the soldier is sustained by the enthusiasm born of hope."
    -- Colonel St. Clair A. Mulholland

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    Wil,

    The conspiracy business goes back a ways...

    Otto Eisenschiml
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Otto Eisenschiml (June 16, 1880 – December 7, 1963)
    ".....He also wrote a book called Why Was Lincoln Murdered? (pub. 1937) in which he propounded his theory that the assassination of Abraham Lincoln was set up by Edwin Stanton, the Secretary of War. The book was popular at the time, but attacked by professional historians as consisting of nothing but "disconnected implication and innuendo" (J. G. Hamilton).
    Respects, Scott B. Lesch

    My History and Toy Soldier "blog"

    http://ilikethethingsilike.blogspot.com/


    Helping my employers achieve the American Dream since 1978.

    If there's one thing I can't stand seeing, it's Americans fighting Americans.
    ~Dan Aykroyd as Sergeant Frank Tree in 1941

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbl
    Wil,

    The conspiracy business goes back a ways...

    Otto Eisenschiml
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Otto Eisenschiml (June 16, 1880 – December 7, 1963)
    ".....He also wrote a book called Why Was Lincoln Murdered? (pub. 1937) in which he propounded his theory that the assassination of Abraham Lincoln was set up by Edwin Stanton, the Secretary of War. The book was popular at the time, but attacked by professional historians as consisting of nothing but "disconnected implication and innuendo" (J. G. Hamilton).
    Scott,

    On this we defintiely agree. Most conspiracy theories simply don't hold water at all. After all for most of these conspiracies to work, there would have to be way too many people in on it and you know about keeping secrets........... "Two men can keep a secret as long as one of them is dead".
    Robert Collett
    8th FL / 13th IN
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    Cool check your source...

    The conspiracy must be true. Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen said so. Check their blogs.
    Last edited by Pete K; 03-22-2007 at 07:14 AM.
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