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  1. #31
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    Thank you Mrs. Simpson.

    The idea of separate civilian scenarios and areas was not new---what was new was the implementation of a model that encouraged safety, structured opportunity to meet and learn from neighbors, with specific attention paid to the needs of children, and with higher material culture standards that were documented, written, and enforced.

    Soldiers camps are their own to run. If a soldier's organization wishes to avoid having civilians traipse through their camps, its is up to them to set and implement parameters---including posting guards, requiring passes and escorts, and promulgating documented and correct military camps. While soldiers are accustomed to presuming that they are 'in charge' due to the ability to impose their will as an army, the historic reality is that the civilian populace was in place and living there before an army ever came through. Intelligent military commanders removed their troops to an area away from the civilian population, if for no other reason than to avoid dealing with pleas for reimbursement of property damage .
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    I just want to say that I have heard a lot of great feedback with the Living History Village. Bev, you and the gang did a great job! In regards to communication breakdown on the Federal side of things, I think the main thing that would have prevented our guys from going through the village would had been a Provost in place. We had one, but the individual stepped down just days before the event and we could not find anyone to fill that void.
    The information about not going through town was sent in the Pre-event information, as well as, we asked our staff adjutants to relay that reminder to all battalion commanders. I was approached once about the issue and went myself to battalions reminding them. Most from the 24th IL and WFB understood and followed those rules. The others I got a mix reaction from with some asking "who are you to tell me" to "and?"..."so....", "my family is down there", etc.
    My apologies for those who did not follow the rules. I have taken notes on this and will bring it up at our follow up meeting in order to help improve the Living History Village even more. It is a nice addition to the event and it gets better by the year.
    So, as Federal Chief-of-Staff for that event, my apologies.
    Kudos however to all of you who helped make that weekend possible!
    Micah Trent
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    I arrived noonish on Friday. I had hoped to be folded into one of the companies on the tactical but that did not materialize. Another fellow and I decided to head to the sutlers. As we approached the civilian town, we took a close look at the oxen, and then gave wide birth around the town on the way and back.

    I knew that scenarios would be in play in the town as I would hope most reenactors would…obviously not. Word was passed down our company street that the town was to be stepped around, not through, as early as 6pm Friday.

    As far as civilians in the camp…I was talking to 1st Sgt Biederman Saturday when two female civilians began to walk through their company streets. The 1st Sgt immediately stopped and questioned them for a pass. None was produced but they said a certain Captain would vouch for them. Doc said he did not know any such captain and immediately grabbed an armed private to help him escort them to HQ.

    And to add to folks on the company streets…we were located almost in front of the Army HQ our company street became the main thoroughfare. I did so many up downs Friday for officers and NCOs walking down our street, I thought football two a days had started anew. By Saturday after battle 1, I was just nodding and saying good morning sir. 3 horses were led down the street Saturday evening…had to move for them.

    Wish I could have hit the town Saturday night, but I wasn’t so sure if my son could ply the firper game and didn’t want to ruin anything for anyone there.

    I think you have folks who respect everyone (or try to) and those who are going to do whatever they want whether they know better or not. Not sure where the breakdown in communication was, but we knew by 6pm Friday. Since it came down from our CO, I figured it was passed on to all CO’s from the Big Bugs.
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    Mistah Helvey,

    One thing to be discovered with young folks----they 'get' first person much better than adults do. We alway recommend explaining to children what the goal is if the child is school age. The 'under 6' set always gets it.

    And we still giggle at the 4 year old boy who told another little boy that his clothes were wrong for this game because 'little boys wear dresses'. He's since learned not to correct others, but is quick to point out to tourists that that's his BabyBrother wearing a dress, and he's not a girl'.

    Now, again, I'm looking for which units got the word and which had a disconnect---who was your commander/Big Bug?
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    Sorry I was unclear Mrs. Lawson. 7th KY, Charles Lemons commanding. We had numbers, lost numbers throughout the weekend. We fell under the WFBs command structure along with the French Broad, 6th OVI, WFB company, etc.

    LOL, as to Ross, my little boy…he is a 6’2” 300lb 16 year old nose guard. I was really concerned of his vocabulary use. For some reason this junior season has brought about some colorful language without thinking. I never heard him utter anything worse than dang until the car ride home. We were talking about the weekend and he said the cornfield was f’ing awesome…I believe I would have popped him in the mouth if he would have said it in “mixed” company in town. He is however looking forward to G’burg, and hopefully he will be better prepped.
    Christopher Helvey


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    Mr. Helvey - Sounds like he would have been a force to reckon with, especially in the candlelight and firelight of night. Hope he gets into town at Gettysburg or Chickamauga. I would like to see him as part of a company posting guard. I assure you my Home Guard would stand down.
    Robert Orrand
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    we just started dressing for events we dress as civilians. We register and regularly walk the camps. We are respectful of the military side . We find many amazing stories as we walk the streets and talk and meet people. we find people reenacting as families because they get to spend time together as family units. we find this awesome. We do our research and learn just like the military. We have studied and research our looks. In the the end we find that we we have a love and passion for the civil war just as the "soldiers" do

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