New Pedersoli 3 band Enfield musket is almost compleatly defarbed from the factory

[indguard]

"One man's sell-off is another man's bargain purchase."

May be true in the early days of the intro of the new item. But as time rolls on and people start realizing that they can get more, those prices will likely rise, not fall. Why would people want to sell something for less than others are getting, after all?

Anyone with a bit of sense will troll around to see what others are selling their item for before they offer it for sale themselves, right? Doing that tends to drive prices upward (again unless there is suddenly a glut of them on the market).

Anyway, if I had the $$ I'd get a rifle I don't have to defarb. If a new Enfield is upward toward the $900 mark already and you have to put in hard labor or a couple hundred bucks to defarb it (or both) I think I'd rather get one already "right" from the manufacturer.

But I sure as heck won't want to sell my defarbed one too cheap to replace it with the Pedersoli, that's for sure. It'd be sort of foolish to do so, wouldn't it?

WTH
The Hawkers mess

[Curt-Heinrich Schmidt]

Hallo!

Soooo, we are going to have to "de-farb" the new Pedersoli to get rid of the bogus "farby" incorrect American Black Walnut stock.

Let's see> What's a Dunlop precarved Enfield stock going for these daze: $250 plus shipping? Not counting the gunsmith or gunbuilder work to try to hang Italian parts on the Dunlop stock?



Curt

[Craig L Barry]

Well, there are decent original "grade two/hand-made" Enfields in shooting condition for around this $1400 figure. In fact, the put together I usually use (BSAT Tower 1862) does not have much more than that in it all told, though it has the hidden cost of years of finding and fitting original parts to improve its functionality. The challenge with the Armi Sport is with the things you will have trouble fixing for less than another several hundred dollar investment (like fitting an original lock) after de-farbing. The ridiculous small hammer they use, the crappy springs, etc. And if you do find original parts, then the lock geometry can be off, little maddening things like that. Getting a repro Enfield "right" can be an endless task, depending on what compromises you are willing to live with.

The Italian concept of time is different, and apparently IFG shares that laid back approach as well. The Pedersoli was not here as of today and I have ruled out having it available for a living history up in KY this weekend. Maybe I will have it next week? Like I have said before, my standard for repros was always the original Birmingham made Parker Hales of the 1970s-80s. If Pedersoli can top that standard, to me it will be a win. Armi Sport and Euroarms never got close to the original Parker Hale, although Euroarms copied their lock parts so closely you could see P-H stamped inside the lock assy on the bridle, but the rest of the Euroarms (especially the weight) was way off (2 lbs too heavy). But even the Parker Hales needed substantial work to remotely resemble a US Civil War-era P-53.

As far as Wickett being happy with any repro, no matter how good...I guarantee the probability of that is -0-. His eye is too sharp and his standards are exacting. I would think the way to go for you Wick would be an original or a put together. I know I was never completely happy with any of the repros I ever used. Although with an original M-1854 Lorenz, a Piedmontese and a custom US 1861 as you have in your arsenal, why bother with an Enfield at all?

[LibertyHallVols]

As far as Wickett being happy with any repro, no matter how good...I guarantee the probability of that is -0-. His eye is too sharp and his standards are exacting. I would think the way to go for you Wick would be an original or a put together. I know I was never completely happy with any of the repros I ever used. Although with an original M-1854 Lorenz, a Piedmontese and a custom US 1861 as you have in your arsenal, why bother with an Enfield at all?

You forgot the rocklock... but that's a discussion for an earlier time period.
Yes, that is the conclusion I have reached, as well. Something for folks to keep in-mind is that, at the end of the day, getting an Enfield "right" can really only be accomplished by the manufacturer. Otherwise, you end up with an endless series of 'tweaks' that will never get you to a correct piece. Which is why I hope that Pedersoli started with a high-condition original (a la the Armi Sport process for their US M1842 reproduction), rather than a retread of the Euroarms product with certain elements "corrected".

[major]

I just got a new Armisport Enfield in from Taylor’s and they also have made some improvements to the gun. They now blue the bands instead of case coloring them and the lockplate has a double line around the edge. Unfortunately they still insist on engraving 1853 ENFIELD across the lockplate and the swivels are still wrong. There are some other minor things wrong but they have made a step in the right direction.

[maillemaker]

The first one, serial number 00001 was my "fee" for working with them on it.

Wow, that is fantastic! A serial number 1 of the new Pedersoli line!

I hope you can share some photos and your impression of the new firearm.

As for the cost, I don't think $1200 is too bad at all, especially if the quality of the lock parts is better.

I paid $495 for my Euroarms P1853. After discovering the bore was .584 and being unable to find a bullet and powder combination that would shoot straight in it, I put a Whitacre barrel in it for another $500. I've probably spent at least $200 in molds and sizers trying to find a good combination for accuracy. On top of this the sear and tumbler wore out in just one season of shooting, which cost me another $20 to get fixed.

So right now, I'm in over $1200 easily, and I still have a struck-bright barrel. If I send it up to Blockade Runner I'm looking at around another $300 to defarb it. So I'm up to $1500.

If these Pedersolis shoot as good as the 1861 Space Cowboy showed on YouTUbe, and if they have quality lock components, and if they are as good as the pictures on Pedersoli's web site seem to hint at, I think $1200 is a good deal for them. A lot of ifs at this point still, of course.

As for the impact on Armisports. What it should do is force Armisport to increase the quality and accuracy of their arms. Of course they will charge more to do this even if it does not cost them to do so.

Steve

[maillemaker]

Craig:

Can you post some pictures of the musket?

Steve

[maillemaker]

One thing that I am also hopeful about is that hopefully Pedersoli will sell replacement parts, which means we now have a high-volume source of correct Palmer-style barrel bands that may work well with previous Euroarms Enfields, like mine with the incorrect Baddley-style bands. Also correct sling loops. You can get aftermarket sling loops now from Blockade Runner; Not sure about barrel bands though.

Steve