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    Just one exception to your list of natural dyestuffs. I doubt the confederates used much butternut (Juglans cinerea) as a dye. The natural range of that tree doesn't extend much below Kentucky, the Alleghany Mountains of Virgina, and the mountains of eastern Tennessee/western North Carolina. The black walnut (Juglans nigra), on the other hand, grows in every state in the confederacy including every county in Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia.

    I'd expect the term butternut came from the color of grey resembling the wood of butternut.

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    Pete,
    I have seen a couple different variations of blue Confederate trousers and Tarts's Royal blue is a close approximation of a pair in Time Life's Brother Against Brother (not the silver bound one that came as a set the one published in the 90's.) I've been getting better at sewing and plan on buying a few yards myself to make a pair of trousers and maybe a vest. He has some really nice fabrics.

    yer Pard.....
    Roy N. Maddox

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    great answers all...and I agree satinette would be a great choice. Is is so under represented.

    But one thing to keep in mind, CS troops were issued uniforms. So there would be some uniformity within a company.

    My suggestion is work with your pards to try to get a 60% uniformity look going...

    Sure some were issued jackets at one point when others were not, and some were issued trousers when others were not, some stuff came from home, and dye lots were unstable....

    But there would be a "pattern" within a unit....say 50% with the same jackets with slightly various hues of the same basic color, trousers the same, haversacks and leather gear as well.

    The "everyone has the latest and kewlest but different gear" look that runs rampant in CS units is NOT correct or PEC.

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    Child's cloths are good matches to original fabrics. His K2CS is a good choice for trousers in the "RD" pattern. It is copied from an original pair of trousers and is believed to be imported Engish kersey. One person found refrence to it as early as '62, so that is a good choice for a generic pair of trousers.
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    Hallo!

    Could add cassimere to the potential...

    Agreed..

    In brief and to voer generalize a bit .. The curse of not being issued uniforms in reenacting by the government is that each lad obtains his own kit. Unless a unit dictates standards, or a group of lads agree on a standard, each lad can go out and buy what he likes best.

    This often leads to no two men in a company looking like they were from the same comapny or possibly regiment. Time, place, and circumstance can often times be on a
    "curve." Meaning the closer a regiment or company is to its uniforming and equipping, the more uniform it tends to look as men are receiving batches of the same kit (as far as an arsenal's or depot's shelf inventory could go.
    Then dependng upon the severity of the campaign, the length of time between resupplies/reissuance and of what items, and then within the slack or strickness of commanders "making" men replace used or worn items or not, there starts to be variations on the theme as new items are normally, usually, generally often partially introduced on an as needed basis. Perhpas further muddied by the random article of clothing sent from home.

    IMHO, Confederate uniforms tend to suffer the most from each man being a world unto himself partly because of the lack of knowledge, recognition, or acceptance of the supply/resupply system- and partly because it seems to be a traditional hobby entrenched line of Confederate "independent thinking" which is reflected less among Federals. But, I believe Federals do much the same, just that dark blue and sky blue is less so obvious in their color intensities and variations than say gray jean, brown jean ranges or better yet British Army cloth and blue jean or green jean or undyed material.

    Others' mileage will vary...

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    These replies are extremely helpful.. Thank you all. Last question is I want the lodgewood dyed.. Would satinette be ok for the whole war and appropriate for enlisted?

    Peter Griebel

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