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    Hallo!

    Help please.

    We are making some revolver ammuntion, and... sigh...

    I cannot find my references to the dimensions of the arsenal or contractor-made .44 Colt paper cartridge packets that consisted of the paper wrapped wooden cartridge protectors/holders or those that fit in the "cardboard" boxes, either with the six holes for six cartridges or the seven holes for the six cartridges and the paper tube of percussion caps.

    Also, does anyone have downloadable (or a vendor for that matter) of any packet labels. (I can scan photographs and extrapolate but if the work has already been done before....?

    I have been poking through ARCHIVE posts, but when I find a link to the lables they are so old that the links are broken or defunct.

    While Dean & Thomas' ROUND BALL TO RIMFIRE VOl 3 is great for packets, it is short on the details to be able to replicate them. I thought I had a volume of THE PITMAN NOTES, but I either have teh wrong volumes and am missing the key one, or my volume was loaned out to a late friend seven years ago to make museum-quality labels and his wife threw it out when he died.

    Thanks!

    CHS
    Deadliest Pistolero since Mild Bill they say Mess
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

    Not a real Civil War reenactor, I only portray one on boards and fora.
    I do not portray a Civil War soldier, I merely interpret one.

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    Curt,

    E-mail me.... I might be able to fix you up with what you want and need. (?)
    I wont post this kind of Info/images on this forum any more.

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    Hallo!

    Danke Herr Blair. I appreciate the offer!

    CHS
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

    Not a real Civil War reenactor, I only portray one on boards and fora.
    I do not portray a Civil War soldier, I merely interpret one.

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    Curt,
    If you send me your email, I can reply with a copy of the Lane's contractor made 6 hole packets I use. Also, the Lane's packet, contained 7 caps but they are in a channel cut into the wooden block along the back edge. The dimensions of the pack are: 3 x 1 13/16 x 11/16. The holes for the cartridges are also tapered closely matching the taper of the paper powder tube. This can be replicated with a tapered, fluted reamer.
    I trust you will find this useful. As always, if you have any other questions just ask.
    Dave

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    Hallo!

    Danke auch, Herr Dave!

    CHS
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

    Not a real Civil War reenactor, I only portray one on boards and fora.
    I do not portray a Civil War soldier, I merely interpret one.

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    Curt-Heinrich Schmidt asking for help.

    Now THAT'S a man bites dog story, Bill Watson, you should put in your paper! LOL

    Glad I lived long enough to see it!
    Bill Cross
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    Wink

    Hallo!

    And there was a paucity rather than an out pouring of... help.



    CHS
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

    Not a real Civil War reenactor, I only portray one on boards and fora.
    I do not portray a Civil War soldier, I merely interpret one.

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    Does this help?
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    Hallo!

    Danke lads, for the help. I appreciate it.

    I just news that my favourite horse, a almost 40 year old paint named Cherry fell and could not get up, and had to be killed.
    So I am a bit sad.

    I have Malloy's/Thomas'/White's PERCUSSION AMMUNITION PACKETS: UNION, CONFEDERATE, & EUROPEAN.

    Thanks to them, and a few on-line sites I can scan, and reproduce a bewildering number and all manner of crisp and like-new "labels" 'til the cows come home

    Where I am lacking is that I do not own any packets myself, to be able to measure the dimensions of the packets themselves so that I/we can make the drilled wooden blocks that go inside to hold the paper cartridges and sometimes the percussion caps.

    I was also holding out hope that a vendor/sutler might have already produced high quality repro "labels/wrappers" and save me the work.



    To prevent fraud and counterfeiting, Malloy/Thomas/White do not reproduce their images to be life size. NOR do they cite dimensions. One assumes they are life size, but they warn they are just "close."

    On the one hand, I can fudge and extrapolate the size of the packets and let "close enough" be "good enough" for reproducing them as "who is going to know the difference."
    But...



    This is going to sound negative and critical, and maybe it is, but has NOT the cavalry or mounted community kept pace with the infantry when it comes to carbine and revolver ammunition?



    Thanks again for those who helped!

    Miss you Cherry.

    CHS
    Who in his CS Officer Daze, carried two Richmond Laboratory packets for his revolver Mess
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

    Not a real Civil War reenactor, I only portray one on boards and fora.
    I do not portray a Civil War soldier, I merely interpret one.

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    If you send me your email, I can reply with a copy of the Lane's contractor made 6 hole packets I use. Also, the Lane's packet, contained 7 caps but they are in a channel cut into the wooden block along the back edge. The dimensions of the pack are: 3 x 1 13/16 x 11/16. The holes for the cartridges are also tapered closely matching the taper of the paper powder tube. This can be replicated with a tapered, fluted reamer.
    I trust you will find this useful. As always, if you have any other questions just ask.
    Dave
    Dave ,I all so would like that information -sent PM -Conley

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