strange officer haversack question

[Mint Julep]

I recommend researching the item before buying on eBay. There are some very nice ones that are appropriate for our period on there from time to time and then there are some that don't even come close. You don't want to waste your time buying something that isn't correct. Also, you have the problem of poor descriptions because people don't know what they are selling, misleading information because people want to see the bids go higher and lousy photos. I have seen two of the same item sell for different prices simply because the seller put the words "Civil War" in the description line and the sad thing is that quite often the item is NOT from the Civil War period. Your personal research will save you a lot of grief.

Here is an example of a collapsible cup on eBay that is VERY representative of the ones used during the Civil War: Pewter cup with Japanned tin box

The seller is playing up the rarity of the item, but I've see them often enough to question how rare they are. You can find the pewter cup without the japanned tin box even more often. Sometimes sellers will refer to them as "lead".

Also, note the size of the cup. Most CW cups were about 3 inches tall. In later years, the cups got smaller.

There is also currently a cup listed made of horn. While it is interesting and the materials were available, I know of no documentation for such a cup as PEC or NUG.

[Mint Julep]

I did a close in look at the Lt's three.. and they are without a doubt officers type haversacks... Not to dispute you sir, just took a closer look

Thanks for the information on the collapsable cup. I saw some nice ones, one with a handle even, but I didnt think they would be practical for coffee, so I will probably dispense with acquiring one.. just one more thing I will probably never use, so why bother with it.

Dave, sorry for hijacking your thread ...

You are correct, Bobby. I was working from memory and I am starting to suffer from CRS.

I think the cups with handles are post-war, but haven't delved too far into that research.

[Longbranch 1]

C'mon guys,
Everyone knows that "strange " officers carried " strange things " in their haversacks.

Regards,
Kevin Ellis,
26thNC

[roundshot]

The "Private Smith's Cup" sold at the Wisconsin Veterans Museum link as noted above is a perfect size for fitting inside one's haversack, officer's or otherwise.

[1stSgt45PVI]

"Now the question. Where can you get collapsable cups??"
I picked up @ least 3 collapsable cups in Tin as stated before @ a "Antique" more like Junk shop as well. Yard sales are good as well and flea markets, cost me $2.00 for all 3! Good luck and happy hunting!

[Mint Julep]

I was wodering did officers carry a cup on their haversacks like enlisted men?

I have not seen any photos with a cup attached but I have not seen many photos.

Look at the officer on the right in this image:

[Blair]

Mint,

Interesting photo.
I mean aside from the Officers cup and haversack.

Do you know, or have any additional info on this Unit, and when/where the photo was taken?

Here is why it interests me,
I count 16 Rifles in this image.
Of these I can identify 6 as being M-1841 Rifles. What can be seen of the other firearms, they appear to be of the same size and configuration. (difficult to be positive)
I also count 7 socket bayonets being among their accouterments.
This would mean the firearms are one of two "Drake" altered variations of the M-1841 Rifle.
Thanks,

[Mint Julep]

It was one posted on another forum that discusses details of period images. The image was found on an online auction site: Heritage Auctions

We noticed the same thing about the weapons. Your input would be appreciated.

[Blair]

Mint,

Thanks for the invite.
I would be pleased to share any info I have on this subject.
Perhaps, it might be best to request a separate thread be set up for this topic, to keep from interfering with the subject matter of the original poster.
If this meets with your approval and the Moderating staff, I'm all for it.

[Mint Julep]

maybe you could just pull up a stump at the original discussion?

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