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    The blizzard going on here in Maryland got me thinking about Civil War weather, esp. snow related incidents and items. Here are some interesting links in case you're snowed in this weekend:

    An article on famous CW snowball fights in the Confederate army:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-100134-8668r/

    A picture of the battle:

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    Here's an account of a snowball fight that took place among the Maine Militia:

    http://mainemilitia.com/node/16

    Found this laborious poem titled, "The Snow at Fredericksburg":

    http://www.civilwarpoetry.org/union/...fred-snow.html

    Here's a good write up on weather during the CW and how it shaped campaigns and battles:

    http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/..._the_Civil_War


    A couple of famous CW bad weather pictures:

    Snowing on Picket (this is pretty much what it looks like outside my house right now, except I don't have a cannon and my house is in a little better shape):



    Can't forget the famous Mud March:




    If you like CW paintings, here are some snowy winter scenes:

    http://www.allenscreations.com/images/mkcc.jpg

    http://www.gallerydirectart.com/up-8.html

    http://www.gallerydirectart.com/mk-214.html

    ..those Mort Kunstler works are amazing. Anyone know of any Union-soldiers-in-the-snow paintings? How about some other blizzard or bad weather accounts?
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    Thanks for sharing that bit of history.

    Beats the usual "crisis in the hobby" postings, LOL!
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    Thanks for the great info and pix. Just when we think what a hard time we have dealing with the snow. Think about how they had to deal with it. I think the picket duty picture really shows how easy we have today in comparison.
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    That snowing on picket pic... been there done that... we did have the guns, but the house was a tent... and the stove had a real pipe, not a barrel that is is such a precarious position.. surprised it ca "draw"
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    While the Mud March was mostly effected by a sudden warming that turned the roads to slush, Jackson's Romney Campaign in the Winter of 1861-1862 is one of the best Civil War examples of a campaign derailed by winter weather. Jackson nearly destroyed his command trying to get to Romney VA, which was later abandoned by the Federals without a fight. His men suffered severely from the cold, being badly equipped with tents and shelters, and were crippled by the common cold and flu. At one point, at least 50% of the command was sick, and the roads were impassable due to ice and snow. Had there been a substantial Federal force in any decent condition nearby, it would have been the end of the Valley Army. How easily we forget how hard it is to move wagons and guns on icy roads, and how hard it is to remove snow without snow plows, blowers or even proper shovels. The Romney Adventure is a great story of endurance and an object lesson on why you don't move an army during the winter.
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    My unit, 12th NJ, Co. K sponsored a one day winter tactical in southern NJ. First time we held the event, "Ledden Farm" in Gloucester County we had light snow.

    Just over 225 troops fought mainly in the woods around a sunken road and ravines. We had breastworks where we dispatched skirmishers and pickets from.

    Having a fight in light snow sure was different, the fellows loved it. Falling snow really concealed troop movements. Needless to say, the guys who particiapted could go home to warm up after the day. We actually had a small company of rebs come out and spent the night in a shebang in the woods to live the experience.

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    If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Mud March became that because they didn't have decent weather forecasts and didn't know torrential rains were coming. I didn't think melting snow was involved.

    Another factor to add to the fun of moving in Northern Virginia during the winter is the freezing and thawing that take place. During the day with the sun shining, snow will often melt. So take the snow melt and pound it into the dirt using several thousand pairs of feet and you wind up with a gooey mess. Considering where Stonewall was operating then, i.e., the Shenandoah Valley and the Alleghanies, the base rock is limestone. From a subjective viewpoint, it seems like the limestone clays of the Valley are a lot stickier than the granitic based clays of the Piedmont. So soldiers marching during the winter when the sun is shining might have helped pound the sun-melted roads turn into muddy paths that required more effort for each step and completely soaked their shoes, followed by falling temperatures after the sun set. Talk about a recipe for misery!

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    If I remember correctly, Burnside held off on moving the army, expecting bad weather to begin at any day. It didn't. He let a number of fine, dry days pass, until the political heat from Washington finally made him move.

    Unfortunately, that's exactly when the weather turned bad; the timing couldn't have been worse for the AOP, and for Burnside. I can't hold that one against him; he had enough of that which was earned.
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    Anybody who attended any of the events held in Newfane, New York got a taste of what it was like to be a Civil War soldier during the winter. Sometimes it sucked. Other times it wasn't too bad. After a while, those huts start feeling like home!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sigman View Post
    My unit, 12th NJ, Co. K sponsored a one day winter tactical in southern NJ. First time we held the event, "Ledden Farm" in Gloucester County we had light snow.

    Just over 225 troops fought mainly in the woods around a sunken road and ravines. We had breastworks where we dispatched skirmishers and pickets from.

    Having a fight in light snow sure was different, the fellows loved it. Falling snow really concealed troop movements. Needless to say, the guys who particiapted could go home to warm up after the day. We actually had a small company of rebs come out and spent the night in a shebang in the woods to live the experience.

    Andy Siganuk, 12th NJ, Mifflin Guard
    Has your unit been doing that event for a long time? I went to a winter event in NJ about 10 years ago. It wasn't far from Philadelphia and was on a Saturday in February. The weather was mild like you describe. That was a great event, even better because it was off-season. Do you still sponsor it?
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