Originally Posted by gwagner
Thank you very much for that information.
Originally Posted by gwagner
Thank you very much for that information.
Looks like there IS a case.
Respects, Scott B. Lesch
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Compatriots,
By now I think most of you have heard about the truly evil action of an official in Auburn.
Below is a release and request for action from Alabama Division Commander Reames.
Please read carefully and proceed as I know you can!
Deo Vindice
Chuck McMichael
CiC-SCV
scvcic72@gmail.com
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Gentlemen,
Please find below a press Release from the Alabama Division Sons of Confederate Veterans that will go out in the mail today to The local District Attorney, Alabama Attorney General, and U.S. Chief Judge for the Middle District of Alabama.
I have consulted with Alabama Division Judge Advocate Philip Davis on the matter and he
informs me that for us to get the District Attorney and Attorney General to act, they will need political pressure to do so.
To accomplish this I am calling for an intense letter writing campaign to the Four
offices below. Please keep your letters civil, but firm.
There is a very real likelihood that further calls for other action will be soon forthcoming.
The Alabama Division SCV will do everything in our power to bring this miscreant to justice.
Please forward this information to your camps.
Alabama Division Adjutant Mike Ricketts: Please forward this to your email list.
I thank you all for your time and effort on this very important issue.
Sincerely,
Robert Reames
Alabama Division Commander
Sons of Confederate Veterans
rcreames@aol.com
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Alabama Governor Bob Riley
State Capitol
600 Dexter Avenue
Montgomery, Alabama 36130
District Attorney's Office
37th Judicial Circuit of Alabama
Nick Abbett
2311 Gateway Drive, Suite 111
Opelika, Alabama 36801-6889
334-737-3446
State of Alabama Attorney General Troy King
500 Dexter Avenue
Montgomery, AL 36130
United States District Court Middle District of Alabama
Chief Judge Mark E. Fuller
c/o Ms. Debra P. Hackett
Clerk of Court
U.S. District Court
P.O. Box 711
Montgomery, AL 36101-0711
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Text from press release (original signed on Division Letterhead)
Press Release - April 28, 2009
The Alabama Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans, repudiates the
lawless behavior of Auburn City Councilman Arthur L. Dowdell in removing Confederate
Memorial Flags from veteran's graves at Pine Hill Cemetery in Auburn, AL. Confederate
veteran graves are to be lawfully respected as any other American veteran graves, according
to United States Congressional Law.
Councilman Dowdell stated the flags were offensive to him. He then
broke Alabama state law when he trespassed on private property, and
desecrated sacred burial sites, and that is offensive to us.
By stealing and destroying the flag that was placed on a veteran's
grave, in the very presence of his descendant, Councilman Dowdell
violates every tenet of decent human behavior. He showed a dangerous propensity for
taking the law into his own hands, an action that will not be tolerated or otherwise
encouraged in others.
We believe this crime was motivated by hate, and want to see justice
done. We are requesting that the local District Attorney prosecute
Councilman Dowdell to the fullest extent of the law, and if need be,
we are counting on the Alabama Attorney General to see that the laws
of Alabama are upheld. Further, we would like to see Federal
Prosecuting Attorneys convict Dowdell for violating United States hate
crime laws.
Robert C. Reames
Alabama Division Commander
Sons of Confederate Veterans
rcreames@aol.com
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Reference Material
Opelika-Auburn News
HTTP://www.oanow.com/oan/news/local/..._graves/69708/
Katie Stallcup
Staff writer
Published: April 23, 2009
Mary Norman was shocked Thursday afternoon when Auburn Councilman
Arthur L. Dowdell pulled up a Confederate flag placed on her great-grandfathers's
grave and snapped it in half, she said.
Dowdell, who denies snapping the flag, said Thursday he was picking up his daughter from
Auburn Junior High School near the cemetery when several people told him they had a
problem with the flags.
He drove to the cemetery and started pulling up flags, he said.
"It's offensive to me,"he said. "To me, it represents the Ku Klux Klan and
racism."
The United Daughters of the Confederacy placed the flags earlier this week, as they have
done for 50 years, in preparation for a celebration Sunday of Confederate Memorial Day, Norman
said.
Confederate Memorial Day will be celebrated as a state holiday in Alabama Monday.
"I really didn't know exactly how to respond to him," she said. "I happen to be
a member of the Daughters of the Confederacy. "I was very surprised, especially (as he is) a city
councilman. I was amazed."
Norman was not personally involved in placing the flags.
"I'm a historian," she said. "We're not about hate, we're not about
anything like that. We just want to honor our state's rights, and I've got Confederate
ancestors, and I feel we should have the ability to do that."
Norman and a friend were takin g inventory of graves at Pine Hill Cemetery in Auburn when
Dowdell drove up and asked who put up the flags, she said.
"One of the flags had been placed on my great grandfather's grave, who was a
Confederate soldier," Norman said. "He just got very upset, and he went over to my
great grandfather's grave, picked up the flag and broke it in two."
She said Dowdell did not know the plot she stood on was her family's. The flags were
placed on soldiers' graves as a mark of respect, she said.
He pulled up Confederate flags from other soldiers' graves, too, she said.
Dowdell said in his years as councilman, he had never seen so many Confederate flags in one
place.
"I'm going on the record that this will never happen again," Dowdell said. "This
will never happen again as long as I'm on the city council."
Dowdell denied intentionally snapping the flag.
"It might have snapped itself," he said. "If it did, so what? If I had my way, I would
have broke them all up and stomped on them and burned them. That flag represents another
country, another nation."
Auburn Mayor Bill Ham said he was unaware of any incidents at the cemetery but said he
talked with Dowdell Thursday afternoon. Ham said his understanding was that all city
cemeteries have covenants governing how and what types of decorations can be placed on
graves, except for Pine Hill because it is so old. Ham said he believed Dowdell asked an
assistant city manager to look into making policies equal for cemeteries across the city.
"The bottom line is those grave plots are deeded property," Ham said. "We sell
those. So they are sold to the family of the individuals, and I think (plot owners) have a right to do exactly what they did, according to the city attorney."
Ham said in his conversation with Dowdell, the councilman suggested the flags be placed on
the graves for a shorter period of time, perhaps for 24 hours before the event.
For now, the remaining flags will stay on the graves because of the lack of covenant governing
Pine Hill, Ham said. But that could change in coming years.
"I certainly think we need to be consistent in all the cemeteries with whatever the policy
is, not only with this, but with everything," Ham said. "The council has got to make
that decision."
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AlabamaCode on desecration of venerated objects.
Section 13A-11-12
Desecration of venerated objects.
(a) A person commits the crime of desecration of venerated objects if he intentionally:
(1) Desecrates any public monument or structure or place of worship or burial; or
(2) Desecrates in a public place the United States or Alabama flag or
any other object of veneration by the public or a substantial segment thereof.
(b) Desecration of venera ted objects is a Class A misdemeanor.
(Acts 1977, No. 607, p. 812, §5555.)
U.S. Federal Law
Public Law 85-425 passed on May 23, 1958 states: .......the term "veteran" includes a
person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of
America during the Civil War.....
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Wow! Just goes to prove you can't fix stupid!
Bill Feuchtenberger
Co.H
1st South Carolina Volunteers
"It Do"
Councilman Dowdell showed both his ignorance and arrogance. His ilk preach tolerance only to the extent that their beliefs and actions are tolerated. Other viewpoints and beliefs are not permitted and the holders of such other beliefs are generally made the subject of personal attack and vilification. In this instance, Dowdell showed open disdain for the fallen heroes whose graves he desecrated. He should be prosecuted for his actions. Were someone to desecrate the grave of, say, Martin Luther King, Jr.. no stone would remain unturned until the culprit was apprehended and punished.
But in this case, do not look to the Mayor of Auburn to do anything. Nor is it likely that the DA or Alabama's Attorney General will take any action. It is not politically correct to do so...there is no percentage for them in them taking action. Dowdell will merely play the "race card" and nothing will happen. His constituents will view him as a hero and he will remain on the city council. And it is most probable that he will pull another such stunt in the future. Who is the racist and the hater in this episode?
We have come to this, and more's the pity.
A.Redd
Last edited by reddcorp; 04-28-2009 at 03:34 PM.
Andy Redd
It would be great if the Councilman gets justice in court and at the ballot box for doing this. Hate to see it as a them and us matter. Hopefully responsible folks will prevail.
Respects, Scott B. Lesch
My History and Toy Soldier "blog"
http://ilikethethingsilike.blogspot.com/
Helping my employers achieve the American Dream since 1978.
If there's one thing I can't stand seeing, it's Americans fighting Americans.
~Dan Aykroyd as Sergeant Frank Tree in 1941
Just sent my two cents to one of the board members. Enclosed is a copy of what I sent. This might help but as quoted before, you can not fix stupid.
Dear Sirs:
http://www.cwreenactors.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=13638
The above link is to the Civil war reenactors board. It includes links to the news article published in the Auburn, Alabama paper regarding this councilman. Please read the whole posting. This board honors the memories of both Union and Confederate soldiers and is one of the vital links to American Civil War Re-enactors. We are living historians and every time we go out we are teaching history. "If we do not learn from what history teaches us, we are doomed to repeat it." Being POLITICALLY CORRECT sometimes is not always correct. Since the Good Councilman admits his deed in the published paper, how would he feel if someone desecrated his grandfathers resting place or maybe he father's as I do not know if they are alive or deceased? I do not think he would like it much. The KEY point is RESPECT for ALL both living and dead. It is time that history get back toi basics and not be glossed over because it is uncomfortable for some!
I have just read the recent posting concerning the removal of memorial flags from the graves in question. How would you feel if someone removed the flags of fallen Federal soldiers or our veterans who have served so proudly. I sincerely think you would not stand for it. As the great grandson of a confederate soldier, I would not be pleased to no end. By the way he did survive the late war. This was an uncalled for action by the councilman.
Your humble servant
Lenwood R Brightwell
Omaha, Nebraska
very well writen RB...I reenact with the 4th Alabama (Co. B.(as well as the 15th Mass)) I may not have been doing it long but i feel a sharp blow by reading those pages affecting the men I, aswell as all of you, honor by reenacting. This shouldnt be tolerated. these were people once. Americans. and they made the ultimate sacrifice in the war. it doesnt matter what they might have, or not have stood for. I've posted an article on the flags on a Canobie Lake Park fan forum and what responce (albiet little) i got was what a terrible thing was happaning...if not in the historic sence than in the "why would someone desicrate other peoples property like that"....
Just my two cents....let me be please
I hope you were polite and used spell check.Originally Posted by trainwreck
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Respects, Scott B. Lesch
My History and Toy Soldier "blog"
http://ilikethethingsilike.blogspot.com/
Helping my employers achieve the American Dream since 1978.
If there's one thing I can't stand seeing, it's Americans fighting Americans.
~Dan Aykroyd as Sergeant Frank Tree in 1941
While I normally do not condone people making negative comments on other people's spelling and grammar, Scott makes a very good point here. In cases such as this, when we do comment, we need to put our best foot forward and not look like a bunch of highly emotional, uneducated red-necks. Whether we like it or not, people will judge what you say as much as on the presentation as on the actual content. If you are ranting or raving or if your argument is loaded with grammatical and spelling errors, it is easier for the other side to use that presentation to easy dismiss the argument against their stance rather than give it the serious consideration that you wanted for it to have.I hope you were polite and used spell check.
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