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  1. #11
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    Default Models for more Organizers

    Folks:
    Some thoughts on the topic:

    1. What I"m hearing is that units decide on events in February and March. Perhaps the larger ones are going to need to move that decision making into the fall, so that event organizers will be receiving large packages of checks in January and February. I understand that it isn't done that way now, but given the economics, the decision to stick with "we'll make our decision in March" may rule out having 150th anniversary events of any battle that happened earlier than mid-July.

    2. Small number of non-profit event organizers (and getting smaller every day): As I understand it, the folks who undertake events fall into four categories:

    a. The ones who are undertaking their first event;
    b. The ones who are doing thier second or third event;
    c. The ones who are experienced and who have organized 5 plus events;
    d. The ones who are completely burned out and want someone else to organize events.

    Teaching "event organizing"
    Being an event organizer involves a lot of skills, but it can be taught and learned. I'd like to suggest that just as we don't expect someone to be an overall event military commander in his second reenacting event, we also need to start fostering "event organizing" experiences.

    Could we foster a "school of the organizer" just as we do a "school of the soldier?"

    Could those who are no longer organizing, but who have the skills to do so start thinking through their experiences and writing up what they did in organizing past events (what worked and what was a disaster and why).

    Could we start breaking down event running into specific "tasks" or "goal lines." Like "site locating and negotiating with landowners," "negotiating with insurance companies," "marketing (to get participants)," "Marketing (to get spectators)," "how to pick and oversee portajohn companies" "how to correctly estimate wood needed," "how to contract with the guys who run tractors to move spectators around," etc.

    We've also got people who do some of these things professionally or in another hobby. They might not be willing to undertake them for a 150th event, but they could teach them to others. For example, I bet Bill Watson could do a crackerjack seminar or article on "how to write a press release and get the local papers to cover your event." Many of you have the skills to do a great workshop or article on "How to work closely with local law enforcement to anticipate and avoid problems when attracting thousands of spectators into a rural area." etc., etc.

    From my miniscule but highly educational experience as a member of the Eastern Campaigner's Alliance, I'd like to also suggest some concise, bulleted, "how tos" on the skills of running a meeting, dealing with conflict, resolving disputes, setting clear goals that everyone "buys into," how to run a conference call, how to keep written meeting minutes, follow up on decisions made. My experience of the reenacting community is that we are terrible at these and it shows.

    These would be great topics for threads, or even larger articles for the reenacting magazines.

    What about those who are currently in the midst of organizing events or living histories actively recruiting "mentees" within their unit or outside their unit who are there to observe, help and are trying to learn how to put on an event? Sort of "apprentice" or "journeyman" organizers.

    What about also posting the positive side of event organizing? Some of you have put on more than one event. If it's such a horrendous experience, undiluted with any redeeming features, you wouldn't do it a second time. We need to be thinking now about how to foster the skills for the people who will be organizing (or helping to put on) the 150th events.

    If we want to have 150th events, we need to be thinking now about how to foster lots of people to develop these skills, so that those who are inspired to take the bull by the horns and decide to head up the effort for a particular battle have a pool of semi-trained talent from which to seek their helpers.

    Hope that sparks off some discussion,
    Karin Timour
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    Default All Good Things So Far

    I think everyone has made really good points. OVI's comment about better information on websites regarding communication could be what would have avoided the Spotsylvania conundrum. I don't think you will have many people disagreeing that if it was well known ahead of time about the drop date then people would have had their registration in when needed. Would it have been the easiest thing to accomplish...no, as stated in bob's post, there are many other things going on during that time of year but unit's always do rally to the cause and we all would have made it work. Bob also has a good point that more lead time may avoid any issues for organizers.
    I like what Chris had said about owning it. I get that. I also liked when B. Obama said similar things. I want to know from the organizers what you need. I know there are work days and other meetings that are posted. Keep informing us of those things as that will make it easier on the individual to get more involved. It would be great if organizers, in their planning, set a tentative work day/weekend, and posted it as early as possible. Then, maybe some units may take a little ownership and this workday could wind up on some schedules. I am well aware that overall unit participation may be lower than an actual reenactment but I know from my own unit's perspective that we have a work day at least once a year at Fort Mifflin and a Monument Clean Up day at Gettysburg and we always have guys there...and they always hear about them from the schedule.
    I have been in the hobby for almost 15 years and have ALWAYS taken for granted what everyone had done, and will do, to hold an event. I only recently clearly understood that it was my joining of the hobby in high school that literally directed my career choices and education and I know that we all have similar stories. Everyone has an interest in seeing this hobby be the best it can be. Yes, let us do more BUT please show us how to do it!!
    Thanks to everyone who has ever, does, and will wear a blue or gray uniform (or green if you are a sharpshooter!!)
    Matt Kraybill
    61st NY
    Mifflin Guard

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    Perhaps if they did a commercial, it would have been a bit more visually stimulating.

    I, for one (as I am sure many are), am very saddened to hear that this event isn't going to come off... especially on the anniversary year.

    What happened to this hobby???
    Guy W. Gane III

    Liberty Rifles
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    49th NYVI company B
    Reenactor since birth...
    Old Timey since my last life....

    Member of "The Filthy Mess"

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    Default Karin:

    For us it isn't possible to move our decision making to early fall. We are incorporated and our by-laws are specific as to things like BOD elections. Additionally our major source of funding is the school programs we do. We can't set our event schedule until we finish getting requests from schools for presentations (one school gives us $4,000 every year for our presentation we just have to wait for them).

    We hold a meeting in January to get our initial scheduling done (and association business like elections) then a second one in February to finalize it and incorporate changes to sync up with the MG.

    However if the EVENTS start setting deadlines earlier then we can take it up at business meeting in December or even hold an additional business meeting in the fall.

    But the reality is that until Spotsylvania there hasn't been ANY issues with any event. Neshaminy is held earlier than Spots was going to be and there aren't any issues with it. A local event is being outside Elmira NY on the same weekend as Spots and they aren't having any issues.

    To the best of my knowledge this is the first time it has happened. And if true you can't put the blame on the units if everybody but one event can get it together. That's not a systemic problem, that's an event organizer issue.
    Bob Sandusky
    Co C 125th NYSVI
    Esperance, NY

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    Mawlana Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Balkhi

    "If you find yourself in a fair fight, someone screwed up." - A new variation of Murphy's Law based on current Military experience in Iraq:

    “In war the first principle is to disobey orders. Any fool can obey orders!” - First Sea Lord Admiral Sir “Jackie” Fisher

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    But the reality is that until Spotsylvania there hasn't been ANY issues with any event. Neshaminy is held earlier than Spots was going to be and there aren't any issues with it. A local event is being outside Elmira NY on the same weekend as Spots and they aren't having any issues.

    To the best of my knowledge this is the first time it has happened. And if true you can't put the blame on the units if everybody but one event can get it together. That's not a systemic problem, that's an event organizer issue.
    I would tend to agree with Bob on this one. As a member of a board putting on an event, I can understand the angst an event organizer has while waiting for the registrations to come in. But, as also a unit commander, I can also see the other side on how hard it is to commit names and numbers to events much earlier than is done now. Just this past weekend, I was expecting 5 members and myself at a Bn drill as late as the week before when the event was discussed and everyone commited to it. Saturday morning it ended up being just myself and one other member. Some events allow units flexibility in that they allow substitutions while other events tend to be more hardline and force us to have members register as someone else. The former allows units to register with essentially estimated numbers, something that most units can do fairly soon after their annual meetings, but the latter events are basically almost forcing units to postpone unit registrations as long as possible until their members' individual calendars start to crystalize. And of course then there are the headachs of trying to actually get the registration fees from everyone in time to meet the various deadlines.

    As far as what went wrong, I suspect that two things happened and the two are most likely inter-related. First, from watching from the inside what it takes to put on our medium size event here in the Lehigh Valley, I find it hard to believe that any single individual could ever successfully put on a larger event on the scale of the anniversary events without essentially quitting his current job and doing nothing else for the two or three years prior to the event. IMHO, it is really the role of a committee or team structure where the tasks are broken down to manageable levels and then taken over by specific individuals or groups of individuals. Yes, there will sometimes be some overlap and confusion and, yes, the groups will periodically have to get together to compare notes, thus requiring even more time from the individuals, but in the long run I believe that this technique gives the most sustainable effort without burning out the one or two individuals who normally try running such things. As far as where do the individuals come from, this is where unit ownership of events comes into play. Local units can be asked to support the events by not only attending but supplying members for the planning committee as well as the on-site support staff itself. This is the approach that we have used to revitalize the Lehigh Valley Civil War Days event, and now this group is moving our efforts beyond just the reenactment through other events such as a Civil War Christmas music concert and expanding a Military Timeline living history event.

    As far as Spotsy itself, I think the bottom-line is that the event itself was most likely under-capitalized in terms of up-front moneys and may have not been able to adequately reduce its projected operating expenses through the contributions of the supporting members. However, I have no intention of laying blame on anyone in making this statement but I would suggest that by using a committee/team approach it might have been possible to come up with fresh ideas for raising capital as well as reducing costs. The very fact that it seems that over 90% expenses of the event would have to come from reenactor registrations made this event vulnerable from the very get-go. (If I had to hazard an estimate, I would say that no mainstream event is truly viable unless approximately 50% of its expenses are covered even before registrations start to come in, especially when the cost of the land is already covered by a separate revenue stream. However, I am sure that others here may have a different cut-off fee based upon their experiences.) The fact that this an one-time event with no seed money left over from prior events makes the event even more vulnerable. (Maybe this is where Flattop's idea of a reenactor generated pool of seed money might very well be applicable, especially if it was allowed to be self-sustaining through the use of no interest loans to event committees and would collect interest while waiting to be used for the next reenacting season. Humm.)
    Thomas H. Pritchett
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    Default Maybe We Can Distill

    what we have talked about down to:

    1) If events want an earlier commitment from the units, they need to set the deadlines earlier.
    2) New events (or events that only show up every couple of years) need to market themselves to build up an acceptable level of excitement.
    3) Event organizers and "national" units need to develop a better means of communication in order to nip issues, rumors and innuendo in the bud.
    4) Units need to be prepared to make earlier commitments to the events
    5) And from a completely different thread, reenactors should seriously consider developing some sort of funding that doesn't leave us as vulnerable to outside funding sources failures.

    Does that about cover it? And if it does how do we move from talking to action?
    Bob Sandusky
    Co C 125th NYSVI
    Esperance, NY

    "Out beyond the ideas of wrong doing and right doing there is a field. I'll meet you there." -
    Mawlana Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Balkhi

    "If you find yourself in a fair fight, someone screwed up." - A new variation of Murphy's Law based on current Military experience in Iraq:

    “In war the first principle is to disobey orders. Any fool can obey orders!” - First Sea Lord Admiral Sir “Jackie” Fisher

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