Looking for old Camp Chase Gazettes

[davidf]

Hello,
My name is David Fictum, and I am looking for old issues of the Camp Chase Gazette. I am hoping that someone can provide (or borrow) them to me. It is for a project I am working on, a book concerning the History of Civil War reenacting. I have found the Camp Chase Gazette is a very valuable resource for this project. Here are the issues that I need:

-ANYTHING from the beginning in 1972 to Volume 14, Issue 2 (November/December (Holiday) 1986 )
-Volume 17, Issue 9 (August 1990)
-Volume 22, Issues 2-8 (November/December (Holiday) 1994-July 1995 )
-ANYTHING from Volumes 23 and 24
-Volume 25, Issues 1-4,7,8 (October 1997-March 1998, June-July 1998 )
-Volume 28, Issue 2 (November/December (Holiday) 2000 )
-Volume 29, Issue 1 (October 2001)
-Volume 30, Issue 3 (January/February 2003 )
-ANYTHING from Volume 32, Issue 8 (July 2005) to Volume 35, Issue 3 (January/February (Winter) 2008 )


Thank you to any of you who are willing to help.

[Memphis]

Maybe you could link up with that fellow who wants to build a museum for civil war reenacting.

[Lightningslinger]

Hello,
My name is David Fictum, and I am looking for old issues of the Camp Chase Gazette.
Thank you to any of you who are willing to help.

Do an Internet search for Wm., William or Bill Keitz in the Lancaster, Ohio area and see what comes up. Bill was the originator of the Gazette and may have produced bound copies by year.

I hope you will agree that we can't take everyone as seriously as we'd like to even if they don't imbibe. But about retaining the past of re-enacting let me offer a modified Lion King quote on history:

...the way I see it, you can either run from it; or learn from it, but you can't learn from it if you don't save it and make it available for others to avail themselves of it.

Walt

[Kevin O'Beirne]

Skip the issues after mid-2003. The value of the event reports, and indeed the very events included in the reports published, is of dubious value.

Reenacting has long been bereft of objective reporting on events. Most published event reports are written by the folks who run the event or their friends, and focus on the good and the rah-rah instead of the objective. For some reason, to provide legitimate criticism of a hobby-related event is often viewed as mean-spirited by many folks, whether they ran that event or not. I guess thinking happy thoughts keeps happy minds.

Many reenactor event reports in hobbyist periodicals are devoid of facts and objective evaluations. For instance, many event reports do not state how many particpants attended, or who the organizers were, or who the principal military commander impressionists were. As for the reports in Camp Chase Gazette in recent years that I've seen, heck, they often have neglected to even say what state the event was in, leaving me to scratch my head while wondering if the thing was in California, Florida, Maine, or Tahiti, or maybe somewhere else.

A reenactor journalism class would be a nice thing, if anyone cared to attend it.

[PVT.THIB]

A reenactor journalism class. What a novel idea, Kevin!

[davidf]

Thanks Kevin for that commentary. Thanks for the heads up on the possible "bias" this resource could have. I have been reading through all the resources I have so far, and I would have to agree with what you said about the post 2003 issues. I have gone through and read many articles, but I haven't taken notes and analysed them yet. But from what I have seen, after Nicky Hughes left the magazine, things changed. The style of the magazine itself changed. The fonts, the formatting of the pages, and the content changed to make it look more like a modern magazine, and I am not talking about a modern magazine like the ones you see on a newstand. Some of my favorite editions I have read so far have all come from the 90s.

Thank you again for the commentary.

One more thought, whatever happen to the CCG's sense of humor? I liked the occasional funny article and the cartoons in the old CCGs.

[OVI]

One more thought, whatever happen to the CCG's sense of humor? I liked the occasional funny article and the cartoons in the old CCGs.

To follow up on what Kevin said, somewhere in that 2002-3 period, CCG was purchased by Lakeway Publications and once Nicky Hughes saw the direction they wanted to take it and bailed, it became what it is today ( you can provide your own description here). The main thing to understand is that it went from a reenactor based hobby publication to a vehicle designed primarily to support advertising packages in tandem with Lakeways Civil War Courier newspaper.
When I got in the hobby in 1994, a majority of reenactors supported CCG and its articles and features reached across the broad spectrum of the hobby. The last issues I got a couple of years ago were filled with fluff pieces and nearly worthless event reports that might have come from any mainstream units newsletters.
CCG was once "The Voice of CW Reenacting" It long ago became irrelevant, especially in light of the growth of the Internet.

Kent Dorr
"Printers Devil Mess"

[Strawfoot]

Skip the issues after mid-2003. The value of the event reports, and indeed the very events included in the reports published, is of dubious value.

Reenacting has long been bereft of objective reporting on events. Most published event reports are written by the folks who run the event or their friends, and focus on the good and the rah-rah instead of the objective. For some reason, to provide legitimate criticism of a hobby-related event is often viewed as mean-spirited by many folks, whether they ran that event or not. I guess thinking happy thoughts keeps happy minds.

Many reenactor event reports in hobbyist periodicals are devoid of facts and objective evaluations. For instance, many event reports do not state how many particpants attended, or who the organizers were, or who the principal military commander impressionists were. As for the reports in Camp Chase Gazette in recent years that I've seen, heck, they often have neglected to even say what state the event was in, leaving me to scratch my head while wondering if the thing was in California, Florida, Maine, or Tahiti, or maybe somewhere else.

A reenactor journalism class would be a nice thing, if anyone cared to attend it.


Oh, I don't know... I thought maybe one or two of them weren't half bad.

[Che]

Maybe you could link up with that fellow who wants to build a museum for civil war reenacting. Please... tell me you are kidding. A Civil War reenacting museum? I am Jack's ragging bile duct. :shock:

[Lightningslinger]

Quote: Originally Posted by Memphis
Maybe you could link up with that fellow who wants to build a museum for civil war reenacting.

Che -- Please... tell me you are kidding. A Civil War reenacting museum? I am Jack's ragging bile duct. Ernesto Serna

Ernesto,

I believe that a short fuze was lit without a factoid bomb attached. Haven't reas anywhere else about someone wanting to erect a museum to house re-enactor memorabilia either.

On the other-hand a growing number of museums have/are asking re-enactors for some of their old field-service duds to help fill out various displays.

Is it real or is it memore-enacex?

Walt

[hanktrent]

Ernesto,

I believe that a short fuze was lit without a factoid bomb attached. Haven't reas anywhere else about someone wanting to erect a museum to house re-enactor memorabilia either.

On the other-hand a growing number of museums have/are asking re-enactors for some of their old field-service duds to help fill out various displays.

Well yeah, a lot of museums use repro clothing on manikins. That's nothing new.

But what was all this about, then? Was it a hoax? Seems like the only difference is that the museum won't literally be built as a stand-alone thing. But if this ain't describing a Civil War reenacting museum collection, I don't know what is. Surely it would include all the old Camp Chase Gazettes, as well as a lot of other stuff the original poster might want to consult.

http://www.cwreenactors.com/forum/showpost.php?p=69004&postcount=3


Originally Posted by NoahBriggs
So, in plain English, you are suggesting that interested miltary and civilian reenacting groups donate documents/material-culture/oral histories, &c. to show the history of reenacting, as a possible sub-exhibit at the national CW Museum?....

Yes... in plain English Mr. Noah I am inform'g you and others that the folks on the senior staff of the National Civil War Museum in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania are about to be apprised of just such a possibility as I have proposed. This was confirmed during a telephone conversation I had with someone on their senior staff but a few minutes ago.


Hank Trent
hanktrent@voyager.net

[Lightningslinger]

Hank,

If you can put two words of mine to-gether, e.g. Re-enactors' Museum as in one of my quotes - let me know. It wasn't my line. I did say that a museum is interested in creating a 'collection' as in an archive to made part of their archives.

Yours is included below. If you have further questions I can answer, please don't hesitate to ask. The Rumour "... as if it's head was on fire"

Tnx,
Walt
PS With the help of those who donate museum quality period attire, museums will increase the quality of their displays - we evolve - they evolve - to that extent evolution is not new - reaching such 'newer' plateau can be a bit slooooooower, however, doncha think Hank?

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Well yeah, a lot of museums use repro clothing on manikins. That's nothing new.

But what was all this about, then? Was it a hoax? Seems like the only difference is that the museum won't literally be built as a stand-alone thing. But if this ain't describing a Civil War reenacting museum collection, I don't know what is. Surely it would include all the old Camp Chase Gazettes, as well as a lot of other stuff the original poster might want to consult.

http://www.cwreenactors.com/forum/showpost.php?p=69004&postcount=3

Hank Trent
hanktrent@voyager.net

[Memphis]

Lest we forget the Third Battle of Manassas, and the ultimate defeat of General Disney, then Haymarket would be a poor choice for the Sesquicentennial Civil War Reenactor's Museum, Theme Park & Water Slide.

Yeppers, send those moldering file boxes to Harrisburg, and make sure this article is on top: http://wesclark.com/jw/k_1960.html

Paper clip this one to it: http://wesclark.com/jw/k_1965.html

Note: In the midst of all this joshing, both of the above articles are excellent reading.

[Lightningslinger]

Lest we forget the Third Battle of Manassas, and the ultimate defeat of General Disney, then Haymarket would be a poor choice for the Sesquicentennial Civil War Reenactor's Museum, Theme Park & Water Slide.

Yeppers, send those moldering file boxes to Harrisburg, and make sure this article is on top: http://wesclark.com/jw/k_1960.html

Paper clip this one to it: http://wesclark.com/jw/k_1965.html

Note: In the midst of all this joshing, both of the above articles are excellent reading.

Memphis,

I began reading one of the two links you provided, both by Ross Kimmel and saw the line:

"... Ernest Peterkin as the man to call to join the Blue Rifles, and from a hand-lettered recruiting poster got the name and number of Gerry Rolph"

Both of these men have answered the Great Roll Call

Ernie was the Navy commander who skippered one of the fleet's salvage vessels that began efforts to raise the USS MONITOR. There was even a documentary done on it at the time. If anyone mentions his name around the NPS rangers at Fort McHenry it had better be in a good light or the Smokey's might find a reason to drum up charges. Ernie had a lot to do with orchestrating their 1814 guard. He and Bill Brown III assisted to a degree at a signal station relay demonstration some of us put on between Maryland Heights, the Town of Harpers Ferry and the Federal surrender site over at Bolivar.

Gerry was one of the early campaign-oriented re-enactors who packed into events, at a time long ago, and ranked up there with his counterparts, the Mudsills, out in Ohio. I know Gerry's wife Rita and have visited with her both at home and at the German School in Potomac.

I can see that you like to kid a lot but these two articles are definitely keepers. Thanks for finding and sharing them Memphis.

Walt
5-5-5

[Memphis]

Serenditpity is a good thing. While seeking more information about the late Mr. Gorman, this Richmond website appeared, and the gateway is very plain, but the information about Civil War Richmond is very good:

http://www.mdgorman.com/

Finders sharers.