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cblodg
06-11-2006, 02:43 PM
SHARPSBURG, Maryland (June 10) - Members of the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist groups rallied Saturday at the Antietam National Battlefield, in what was believed to be the first time a group was given permission to demonstrate at the site of the bloodiest day of the U.S. Civil War.

About 30 people, some in white robes and others in the military-style clothing and swastika armbands of the National Socialist Movement of America, stood next to a farmhouse on the battlefield. Some delivered speeches attacking immigrants, blacks and other minority groups.

About 200 federal, state and local officers watched to ensure peace and to act as a buffer between the Klan and about 30 counter-demonstrators.

Antietam carries powerful symbolism as the bloodiest battle between the North and South in America's Civil War, said Gordon Young of the Ku Klux Klan.

"As the Klan, we are the ghosts of our Confederate brothers and sisters who died here," Young said.

The protest was the third by extremist groups at national parks in the past three years. Two years ago, the National Socialist Movement demonstrated at Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, and the same group rallied last year at Colonial Park in Williamsburg, Virginia.

"The Supreme Court has ruled consistently that national parks in particular are places of freedom of expression," said park superintendent John Howard.

Said Jeffrey Margolies, a counter-demonstrator from the Jewish motorcycle group Semites on Bikes: "It's disgusting that they would come to sacred ground."

Union and Confederate forces clashed Sept. 17, 1862, on farmland about 40 miles outside Washington during Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee's first invasion of the North. More than 3,600 men on both sides died that day, and more than 19,000 were wounded or went missing, according to the park service.

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Thoughts. One of the polls was; Should this be allowed?

The KKK are not "the ghosts of the Confederate dead" as one man put it.

Chris

tenfed1861
06-11-2006, 02:58 PM
Wait until they die.They will have to answer to the REAL Confederate troops.They can explain to the real men at to why they use the name of the average soldier of the CS Armies to express their bs message of hate.Then they can spend some time,I say about eternity,with the big red guy down "stairs".Although,thier family trees could look like telephone poles (if you get my drift),which means their stupidity isn't their fault.
Cullen Smith

Jeffrey Cohen
06-11-2006, 05:26 PM
When their time comes I think they will be surprised to see their way into the pearly gate barred by the Confederates whose memories they have insulted. Can you imagine their shock when they see all the Catholic, Jewish, and Black Confederates?
Regards.

hiplainsyank
06-11-2006, 06:38 PM
I was just struck this afternoon of the irony of their doing this at Antietam. First, it was a strategic Union victory (in that Lee was forced to abandon the field and retreat into VA).
Secondly, and more importantly, it allowed Lincoln to issue the Emancipation Proclamation! Which was, of course, a precursor to the 13th, 14th, and 15th Ammendments--not exactly kin to klan doctrine!

RJSamp
06-11-2006, 09:27 PM
"As the Klan, we are the ghosts of our Confederate brothers and sisters who died here," Young said."

Says WHOM?

And if they are ghosts...why are they still alive, flesh, and blood.

So Presumptious to think that those who fought their condone any of their actions....this smacks of providing the deceased the opportunity to be baptized?

bob 125th nysvi
06-12-2006, 09:00 PM
yes they have the right to use the national park the same as any other tax payer/citizen does.

They also have the right to thier political opinions as repugnant as they may be.

We, above all, those of us who honor the concepts all CW soldiers fought for, need to be on the front lines AGAINST censorship.

Once you start on the slippery slope of who is allowed to say what and where, you set yourself up to be the next vicitm of political correctness. The arguments that may be used against the KKK speaking CAN be used against those who would like to fly the Stars and Bars with equal validity.

Someone might be offended.

The First Admendment guarantees us the right to say what we want it DOES NOT give us the right to stifle what someone else might say that offends us.

Allowing the KKK to be who they are (as long as they don't break any laws) is the price we must pay to all be free.

All that being said their stupidity will only make life harder on our southern reenacting brethern as the media makes the same uneducated generalizations they always do.

Bob Sandusky
Co C 125th NYSVI
Esperance, NY

"I may not like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

bill watson
06-12-2006, 10:51 PM
They're disgusting and stupid, but that's allowed. If being disgusting and stupid were illegal, we couldn't build prisons fast enough.

A practical solution to these clowns is to ignore their obvious attempts to generate publicity and stir people up. One of my favorite memories from my years down south was watching as the news media in three counties tacitly refused to cover a half-baked klan rally in North Carolina. Of course the fact that they had no local klan members was a factor. These fellows came down from Indiana and got not so much as a paragraph. They didn't come back. (They also didn't know their geography. This was Wilkes County -- last place to fly the stars and stripes after NC seceded, they had to send a Confederate regiment into Wilkesborough to take it down, and even recently local folks noted that they were "Lincoln Republicans," not Reagan Republicans like the rest of the southern GOP .....)

FWL
06-13-2006, 08:55 AM
Sharpsburg/Antientam is one if my favorite battlefields. It would have been nice if an authentic confederate group that included a couple of black reenactors was there to explain the history of the everyday confederate soldier and their struggles and how the confederate battle flag was hijacked to become a hate symbol.

tenfed1861
06-13-2006, 10:56 AM
"They're disgusting and stupid, but that's allowed. If being disgusting and stupid were illegal, we couldn't build prisons fast enough"

Bill,that's all too true.The klan has no shame.About 10 years back,they attacked a boarding school my friend was staying at.These S-O-Bs wanted to hang black and latino children.Kids from 8-18.A fight eventually broke out,and luckily my friend made one of them blind.He hit the coward in the white robes in the temple with a lead pipe.But like I said in my last post,their day is coming.I wonder how they realised that Jesus was a Palastinian.
Cullen Smith

hiplainsyank
06-13-2006, 11:12 AM
not to mention a JEW!

I heard from some acquaintances that there were Confederate counter-protestors there, including black Confederates. While keeping their backs to the rally at all times, they even fielded many questions from the media--including international media.

Unfortunately, the sensationalism of a kkk rally is more news than such a counter-protest in our sensationalized culture.

Speaking of abuse of the Confederate battle-flag, in a World Cup story about racism in the soccer world, I saw some European idiot waving it as a hate symbol right beside the Nazi flag. <sigh>

tompritchett
06-13-2006, 12:15 PM
How about a unit of Confederates, all Southern born, with a banner stating something along the line of "To True Southerners, the KKK are nothing but White Trash".

Euphemia
06-13-2006, 02:06 PM
Maybe we need a Confederate flag with the words "This flag does not belong to the KKK"


Euphemia Goolsby,
A Jewish She-rebel!

FWL
06-13-2006, 04:59 PM
How about a unit of Confederates, all Southern born, with a banner stating something along the line of "To True Southerners, the KKK are nothing but White Trash".


Hey Tom can I get in that unit? I was born in Marine Memorial Hospital Agana, Guam (oil brat). Thats pretty southern.

madisontigers
06-13-2006, 05:18 PM
That's pretty cool. I always enjoy hearing from Jewish enthusiasts of the War.


David Long

sbl
06-13-2006, 05:43 PM
How they see themselves....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/high5nmb/na1.jpg


How others see them..

http://www.radosh.net/images/onelittlehitler-thumb.jpg

Tigerrebjim
06-13-2006, 06:16 PM
The brain power of you average KKK member is not measurable. If they knew anything about the south, there were Catholics, Jews, free blacks, Mexicans, and so forth in the Confederate Army and Government. They all came together to create something they believed in. Many of the leading politicians and military heros of the South had some kind of 'mark' against them, like Judha Benjamin, who held many posts in the Confederate Government and was a Jew. Many Generals were Catholic.

Just my 3.67 cents (price of sending thoughts keeps going up due to gas prices and government taxes)

JIM Tebbetts

captdougofky
06-14-2006, 12:12 AM
Calm down just remember its free speak that gives us this forum.

Doug
Lyons Battery
Kentucky

tenfed1861
06-14-2006, 03:29 PM
Jim,don't forget that Patrick Cleburn,Robert E. Lee,Stonewall Jackson,and othert such names held the idea that if slaves fought for the south,they be granted their freedom.Bet they forgot that,now didn't they.
Cullen Smith

Tigerrebjim
06-15-2006, 07:46 PM
Jim,don't forget that Patrick Cleburn,Robert E. Lee,Stonewall Jackson,and othert such names held the idea that if slaves fought for the south,they be granted their freedom.Bet they forgot that,now didn't they.
Cullen Smith

So true, I reeanct the 8th Louisiana - this unit had Jews, Catholics, Free men of color, Mexicans, Spainards, and so forth enlisted in the unit. I have done some Census review on Companies E and F, very few individual soldiers owned any slaves (2 or 3 out of 350 or so), tho there many whose family owned some slaves.

JIM T

Cpt_Invictus
06-16-2006, 04:03 PM
The best tactic you can employ to overcome stupidity is to ignore it. Saddly, these KKK idiots can not be reasoned with or talked down too. What ever is said or done is then used in there mind to justify there actions. Mind you, this holds true of just about any group of people that hold beliefs higher than ideas.

But what does piss me off is that people and our history are made to suffer for there stupidity. Ga. loseing its state flag because of these numbnuts is but an example. It's just so ******************** frustrateing.

The role call of my ancesters that faught both north and south is long if not so noteable. I decided to reenact to honor them and teach the "wages of war". As long as there are more of us than them (IE KKK numb skulls) then they will follow the way of the doedoe bird.