Source for Colt Shoulder Stock parts

[ziggy2000]

Here's one for you vets and smiths...

I recently acquired a shoulder stock for a repro Colt 1851 Navy. Unfortunately it doesn't have the mounting hardware. All I have are the wooden stock itself, the brass buttplate, and the brass grip that fits over the pistol grip. I need all the other mounting parts – the threaded hook and knurled knob that attach it to the backstrap, the screws that hold the stock in, the sling ring, and the internal screw and spring parts. I also need the extra long screw that fits in the revolver frame to hold the stock in the proper position. I think it is probably a Pietta, but it could also be one of the older Uberti ones - I've found no markings thus far.

I'm drawing a blank when it comes to finding these replacement parts. Plenty of sources for the GUN parts, and for the COMPLETE shoulder stock, but none for the shoulder stock PARTS. I've tried VTI, Dixie, Numrich, and most of the other logical places. Pietta has not answered me and I'm not holding my breath. Most of the parts could probably be subbed from similar items or easily fabricated - like the cavalry sling ring and screws. But the threaded hook & knob are pretty unique!

So if any of you good folks out there could help with this thorny little problem I'd be appreciative! Even pointing me to a more appropriate Black Powder forum might help. Thanks!

Marty

[Bummer]

A navy Colt had a shoulder stock?

[Cav_Maj]

Marty,
Just on an off chance, try a google for Taylor Arms. You should get contact information for them. Try giving them a call and see if they can help you out. Good luck in your search.

Regards,

Brian

[ziggy2000]

A navy Colt had a shoulder stock?

According to this source, yes:

http://patentpending.blogs.com/patent_pending_blog/2005/12/colt_shoulder_s.html

Perhaps the author has the '51 and '61 confused. But I wasn't asking an authenticity question.

Marty

[ziggy2000]

Thank you, Brian, for this source! It looks like they have the parts I need! I owe you one!

Marty


Marty,
Just on an off chance, try a google for Taylor Arms. You should get contact information for them. Try giving them a call and see if they can help you out. Good luck in your search.

Regards,

Brian

[hussard7]

For those that do not have Fladerman's Guide as a reference on their bookshelfs, the following Colt revolvers had shoulder stock abilities: the Third Model Dragoon, the Model 1851 Navy Revolver and the Model 1860 Army Revolver.

Yours,
Wayne Gregory
Stafford, VA

[ziggy2000]

For those that do not have Fladerman's Guide as a reference on their bookshelfs, the following Colt revolvers had shoulder stock abilities: the Third Model Dragoon, the Model 1851 Navy Revolver and the Model 1860 Army Revolver.

Yours,
Wayne Gregory
Stafford, VA

Wayne, thanks for this clarification! Now you've aroused my curiosity... some places are selling shoulder stocks to fit the Remington 1858 New Army. Did this shoulder stock actually exist in period, according to Flayderman's???

Yes, now I'm asking an authenticity question... :D

Thanks!

Marty

[Frenchie]

And some Model 1860 Army revolvers had flutes that ran the full length of the cylinder. There's a period photo of a swabbie standing guard with a stocked, fluted 1860 Army. Another illustration I have shows a petty officer going on a landing party with a stocked '51 Navy and an army canteen.

One cool thing about doing a Navy impression, you can carry almost anything, especially as officer's sidearms.

[hussard7]

OK here we go, open the can of worms!

Marty: To start with there was NO Remington with the designation 1858 New Army. Their Army model was the "Remington-Beals Army Model Revolver" and used the 1858 Beals patent. Only 1900 were made. The next is the Model 1861 Army Revolver in 1862 thay made about 12,000.

It should be noted that the Remington Company did not have a Federal Government contract for Revolvers until 6 July 1863.

The next in the Army line is the "Remington New Model Army Revolver" made from 1863 to 1875 about 132,000 were made, of this 110,000 were delivered to the Government. This is the gun that is repro'ed for our use, and is misnamed by all the Italian makers. All Remingtons were steele framed, no Brass frames.

The Remington Revolving Percussion Rifle was made from 1866-1879 and a total of less that 1000 were made. The standard barrel length was 24 or 28 inches. So this means that the shorter barreled one being repro'ed and sold did not exist for Civil War use.

There is not indication in Fladermans that a shoulder stock was made but that will not deter the makers.

I hope this helps.

Yours,
Wayne Gregory
Stafford, VA

[Poor Private]

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[ziggy2000]

Thanks, Wayne!

I fear the misnomer "1858 New Army" was my own, rather than that of a manufacturer. I am indeed referring to the New Model Army that is widely repoped. I suspected that there was no historical evidence of a shoulder stock for this weapon but wanted to confirm it. Like the brass-framed revolver (at least the Colt and Remington flavors) it appears to be something that "looks cool" rather than appeared in history. Thank you for your expertise, I hope the worms haven't crawled too far! :D

Marty

OK here we go, open the can of worms!

Marty: To start with there was NO Remington with the designation 1858 New Army. Their Army model was the "Remington-Beals Army Model Revolver" and used the 1858 Beals patent. Only 1900 were made. The next is the Model 1861 Army Revolver in 1862 thay made about 12,000.

It should be noted that the Remington Company did not have a Federal Government contract for Revolvers until 6 July 1863.

The next in the Army line is the "Remington New Model Army Revolver" made from 1863 to 1875 about 132,000 were made, of this 110,000 were delivered to the Government. This is the gun that is repro'ed for our use, and is misnamed by all the Italian makers. All Remingtons were steele framed, no Brass frames.

The Remington Revolving Percussion Rifle was made from 1866-1879 and a total of less that 1000 were made. The standard barrel length was 24 or 28 inches. So this means that the shorter barreled one being repro'ed and sold did not exist for Civil War use.

There is not indication in Fladermans that a shoulder stock was made but that will not deter the makers.

I hope this helps.

Yours,
Wayne Gregory
Stafford, VA

[Cav_Maj]

Marty,
Glad to be of service. Taylor has a pretty good inventory of parts and other items. Ask for a catalog when you order your parts.

Brian

[PATBUZZARD]

Not to open a new can of worms, but be careful. I know as a fact that adding a shoulder stock to a modern pistol is classified as the creation of a "Short Barreled Rifle," and if done without proper paperwork is a 10 year felony. If I were you I'd make sure that black powder pistols are exempt from this before I started putting anything together. I'd hate to see anyone get in trouble over something so stupid. (the law, not the re-assembly of a stocked-pistol)

[Poor Private]

In Michigan as long as it's Black Powder there is no problem with length. read Public Acts 99-101 which Governor Granholm signed into law in 2004. Also HB 5427, HB 5428, HB 5429. Basically these laws eliminate the need for a license or saftey inspection for pistols made before 1898, and replicas of antiques (our repops) that use Black Powder or obscure calibers. So if the stocked 1851 is a replica there is now law against it.

[PATBUZZARD]

Very good to know!

[jerryeberg]

Oh yea, I love Michigan because of that (but not much more). But, make sure not to conceal the black powder pistol, b/c then it is considered a concealed weapon. At least from the source I read.