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tenfed1861
03-31-2008, 11:53 PM
Well, it seems Liam Neeson is to play Lincoln with Sally Fields as Mary Todd. It seems it should be out some time late next year. Here's what I found in IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443272/

paul hadley
04-01-2008, 02:26 AM
Yeah, I saw the same web page and am wondering if the timetable is on again after languishing for a couple of years.

Screenwriter Kushner is speaking here in January and Pulitzer winner Goodwin is the keynote speaker next February for our annual Abraham Lincoln Birthday Celebration. Apparently they got the funding to go ahead with this Spielberg movie so that it can still be released this fall ahead of Abe's bicentennial year.

Anybody gotten any feelers re face time for reenactors? Volunteering as movie extras always seems to lead to interesting discussions ... http://www.cwreenactors.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif

Paul

firstmdes
04-01-2008, 03:16 AM
Well,
It seems Liam Neeson to play Lincoln with Sally Fields as Mary Todd.It seems it should be out some time late next year.Here's what I found in IMDB:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443272/
Sally Fields? I wonder if Mary Todd will ever turn to Abe and say, "Life is like a box of chocolates..."

tompritchett
04-01-2008, 06:00 PM
Sally Fields?

Actually I can see her in that role considering how eccentric and possibly possibly a little unstable she was rumored to be.

tompritchett
04-01-2008, 10:29 PM
Do you know anything else about Sally Field that might be unstable?

By no means was I implying that Sally Fields had any tint of instability. Rather, I was trying to state that I believed that, based upon what I have seen of her acting ability, she could very easily play a role where her character was on the borderline of being unstable.

Frenchie
04-01-2008, 11:40 PM
I was an extra in the movie 'The Day Lincoln Was Shot'. When we were shooting the President being taken across the street from the theater, in one take, the actress playing Mary Lincoln (Donna Murphy) ran up behind me and gave me a body check that, I swear, knocked me a good foot to one side. I looked at her and whispered, "You ever play hockey?" and we grinned at each other.

GaWildcat
04-02-2008, 05:57 AM
As bad as it was, I still think the best Lincoln was Hal Holbrook in The Blue and The Gray

sbl
04-02-2008, 06:37 AM
Hal Holbrook was Lincoln in North And South
Gregory Peck was Lincoln in The Blue and The Gray

I'm particial to Sam Waterston in Lincoln (1988 ) Gore Vidal's Lincoln

Look at all the actresses who have played Mary Todd Lincoln

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0037343/


and don't forget Christine Estabrook in "The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer"



http://epguides.com/SecretDiaryofDesmondPfeiffer/cast.jpg

GaWildcat
04-02-2008, 07:17 AM
How right you are Scott...I just hate those early morning feedings! Tends to muddle the brain and confuse the TV shows...

I also liked Sam Waterson

sbl
04-02-2008, 10:02 AM
Blue and Gray North and South pretty much the same, fun Civil War "bodice rippers."

I have the IMDB book marked.

MtVernon
04-02-2008, 11:39 AM
Kushner wrote the fine 'Munich', but also 'Angels in America', which is what's he's best known for. The Munich part of me is excited, but the Angels part of me is bracing for a revisionist history that leaves Lincoln's sexuality in question. It wouldn't surprise me, given certain 'scholarly' works on the subject as of late.

sbl
04-02-2008, 11:46 AM
Well....Lincoln was shot in the theatre.

flattop32355
04-02-2008, 07:25 PM
Well....Lincoln was shot in the theatre.

I had thought he was shot in the head.

sbl
04-02-2008, 08:45 PM
It was because he was in John Wilke's Booth. I hope it isn't TOO SOON for humor.

My wife tells of how after visiting the Holocaust Museum, we went to Ford's Theater to cheer up.

jthlmnn
04-03-2008, 09:58 AM
Fields is a great choice for Mrs. Lincoln. She's already won two Emmys for roles in which the character has a form of mental illness: Sybil in 1977 in (multiple personality) and E.R. in 2001 (bipolar disorder). I believe she'll give a nicely nuanced and credible portrayal.

sbl
04-03-2008, 12:04 PM
Sally Fields can also do the "pleasingly plump" look that was in style.

Remember Patty Duke as Martha Washington.

bill watson
04-03-2008, 01:24 PM
"Remember Patty Duke as Martha Washington."


Must I?

NoahBriggs
04-03-2008, 02:19 PM
I'm particial [sic] to Sam Waterston in Lincoln (1988 ) Gore Vidal's Lincoln

As am I. Waterston took the time to try and render Mr. Lincoln's reputed high and twangy voice, and dropped a couple of examples of Lincoln Humor once in a while. Unfortunately the jokes were rated G; Lincoln was known for outhouse humor, which irked Mary to no end.

Wonder if this new movie will show Mr. Lincoln's blue mass-inspired fits of violence?

ejazzyjeff
04-03-2008, 02:49 PM
Wonder if this new movie will show Mr. Lincoln's blue mass-inspired fits of violence?

From what I understood from a while back, this is suppose to be about the real Lincoln. Not like the movies that have been made in the past. Rumors where that Spielberg wanted to show the warts and all about Honest Abe (false info)

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/spielberg.html

And will they explore about the "gay" Abe? They are hush-hush about it.

http://cwbn.blogspot.com/2007/11/spielbergs-lincoln-gayful-and.html

I read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book Teams of Rivals and I remember her stating that in her own opinion Lincoln was not gay and didn't go much into the matter, it was common for men to share beds.

GaWildcat
04-03-2008, 03:16 PM
it was common for men to share beds.

Jeez, if that's the criteria for being gay.... what would "they" say about soldiers spooning around a Sibley???

tompritchett
04-03-2008, 04:01 PM
I read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book Teams of Rivals and I remember her stating that in her own opinion Lincoln was not gay and didn't go much into the matter, it was common for men to share beds.

Having just spent the past weekend at Old Bedford Village in a house heated by just a fireplace, I can fully understand why two fully heterosexual men might have shared a bed together back then - they wanted to stay warm - the same reason that soldiers spooned during the war. Just because someone was indoors at night does not necessarily mean that they were warm and toasty at night; they were just out of the elements. Sometimes I do think that some historians do need to get their heads out of books and primary reference materials and go experience life in the same manner as their subjects for a short while in order to fully appreciate what they are reading.

Pete K
04-04-2008, 09:16 AM
Now Lincoln is gay, Jefferson raped his slaves, Washington was a drunk, Franklin chased young girls, who's next? Patton, Truman, Neil Armstrong,Teddy Roosevelt? Maybe we can't get children to love history because so many published "historians" are busy looking for the next headline for the Weekly World News. Stop trashing the real heroes and my job (US history teacher) will be easier.

sbl
04-04-2008, 10:01 AM
I was listening to a call in show where a caller ripped into Thomas Jefferson about slavery. The host, Tom Hartman, is a Jefferson scholar and countered with all of the public policy and writtings that Jefferson did against slavery and acts for individual Black people. You have to counter those private (alledged) vices with what these people did for all of us. A good school project perhaps. Maybe Jefferson and Sally Hemmings were really in love.

paul hadley
04-04-2008, 11:56 AM
...Maybe Jefferson and Sally Hemmings were really in love.
Or has was posited a few years ago during calls for some sort of settlement to the Hemmings descendants, one or more of Sally's children may have been fathered by Tom's brother. Guess we'll never know.

On a similar note, I'm hoping Spielberg takes the high road on his Lincoln movie. There's enough of an audience eager for information about what the man accomplished that I'd rather not spend money watching a film that merely guesses/hints at what he might have done.

Paul

sbl
04-04-2008, 12:12 PM
Or has was posited a few years ago during calls for some sort of settlement to the Hemmings descendants, one or more of Sally's children may have been fathered by Tom's brother. Guess we'll never know.

We went to Monticello in 2006. They had a great program on the slave/master relationships and the brother possibility was discussed. The speaker's theme was that both master and slave were attached by the same chain.


On a similar note, I'm hoping Spielberg takes the high road on his Lincoln movie. There's enough of an audience eager for information about what the man accomplished that I'd rather not spend money watching a film that merely guesses/hints at what he might have done.


There's a heck of a lot of documentable incidents and words about Lincoln to make a good movie.

FloridaConfederate
04-04-2008, 05:20 PM
Council Bluffs, Iowa would be nice place to film....yep. Council Bluffs, Iowa.

I hear the train a comin'
It's rollin' 'round the bend" The Man in Black.

paul hadley
04-04-2008, 06:27 PM
Council Bluffs, Iowa would be nice place to film....yep. Council Bluffs, Iowa.

Hmmm -- well he did meet with Dodge in the Council Bluffs area (1860?) to plan the general path of the Transcontinental Railroad ... so, maybe it does make some sort of sense after all.

Paul
Lincoln, Neb.

Zourab
04-04-2008, 09:21 PM
Now Lincoln is gay, Jefferson raped his slaves, Washington was a drunk, Franklin chased young girls... You forgot the one about Jesus being married to Mary Magedelene. :rolleyes:

Che
04-04-2008, 09:30 PM
http://images.countingdown.com/images/countdowns/movies/3623163/3623163_main.jpg

http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/810/liamabrahamfinal2.jpg

Swag
04-06-2008, 01:50 PM
Wow, thats outstanding, I think he will do an excellent job as Lincoln.

MtVernon
04-06-2008, 10:39 PM
Jeez, if that's the criteria for being gay.... what would "they" say about soldiers spooning around a Sibley???

Totally gay.

reb64
04-07-2008, 07:15 PM
You forgot the one about Jesus being married to Mary Magedelene. :rolleyes:

their is some truth about those men and labels. washington was a huge hemp grower, jefferson did have sex with his slaves, and lincoln went out of hisway to invite favorites to share his bed. but there is no such proof of Jesus being married.

Danny
04-08-2008, 07:55 AM
IMHO, no mere movie can cover the whole of Lincoln, I would hope Spielberg chooses an interesting chapter of the man's life.

Dan Wykes

Frenchie
04-08-2008, 10:01 PM
their is some truth about those men and labels. Washington was a huge hemp grower, Jefferson did have sex with his slaves, and Lincoln went out of his way to invite favorites to share his bed. but there is no such proof of Jesus being married.

Well, so much for trying to ignore you. Time for another "What You Should Have Learned From Studying American History" lesson.

Everybody grew hemp, it makes very good cordage, fabric and other things. Just because it's a form of cannabis doesn't mean it'll get you high if you smoke it, much less that ol' George was a pothead, which is what you're obviously inferring. BTW, he was a Southerner, did you forget that?

There is not a shred of evidence that Thomas Jefferson had sex with anyone other than his wife. He was also a Southerner. Here's a scholarly article about this politically-correct myth: http://www.ashbrook.org/articles/mayer-hemings.html

Trying to convince people that Lincoln was a homosexual is going to get you labeled as a gay activist, a "Lost Cause" troublemaker, stupid, or all three. And he was born in the South.

MStuart
04-09-2008, 01:37 PM
their is some truth about those men and labels....... jefferson did have sex with his slaves, and lincoln went out of hisway to invite favorites to share his bed.

Please cite reputable, written documentation. Please note the keywords of "reputable & written".

Mark

sbl
04-09-2008, 02:18 PM
Please cite reputable, written documentation. Please note the keywords of "reputable & written".

Mark


What?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/7/7e/Fuzzy-mad.jpg

firstmdes
04-09-2008, 06:59 PM
their is some truth about those men and labels. washington was a huge hemp grower, jefferson did have sex with his slaves, and lincoln went out of hisway to invite favorites to share his bed. but there is no such proof of Jesus being married.
I think there is a new hobby in this country!! Forget reenacting, forget scrap-booking, the newest and hottest hobby around costs nothing to do and requires no real knowledge of facts...It's Character Assassination! The best part is that the longer the person has been dead, the better the target! And as a bonus, the person cannot even respond to the most ridiculous claims...

If you want Adolf Hitler to be an alien or William the Conqueror to be a transvestite, go for it!! Nothing is sacred anymore...what a sad commentary on our society...

WestTN_reb
06-06-2008, 12:18 AM
Can we get on the subject of the upcoming movie? I'd like to know a little about it as information comes available. Just my $0.02.

Frenchie
06-06-2008, 02:04 AM
Can we get on the subject of the upcoming movie?

Here ya go, John: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/Darkfold_2006/Emoticons/focus.gif (right click and Save Picture As...)
Use it in good health!

WestTN_reb
06-06-2008, 02:46 AM
http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10001.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)Appreciate the help. Thanks.

I'd just like to know if there will be face time for reenactors, or if they're going over to Eastern Europe like they did for Cold Mountain.

ejazzyjeff
06-06-2008, 10:35 AM
http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10001.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)Appreciate the help. Thanks.

I'd just like to know if there will be face time for reenactors, or if they're going over to Eastern Europe like they did for Cold Mountain.


I really don't think it's going to have any face time for reenactors, beside probably as background. If they do include any scenes of battles, more than likely it could be done with CGI.

Below are a list of the other main characters in the movie, who would be fit to play them.

Secretary of State William H. Seward
Secretary of Treasury Salmon P. Chase
Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton
Attorney General Edmund Bates

Secretary of the Navy Gideon Welles
Postmaster General Montgomery Blair

John Nicolay
John Hay

General Ulysses S. Grant
General William T. Sherman
General George B. McClellan

Frederick Douglass
Sojourner Truth

Robert Todd Lincoln
John Wilkes Booth

sbl
06-06-2008, 11:56 AM
Check back with IMDB...I looked this morning and nothing is new. Spielberg has to finish Tin-Tin first.

Brian Wolle
06-06-2008, 12:32 PM
Frenchie, you forgot. Jesus was a southerner too.

You're welcome.

Frenchie
06-06-2008, 05:34 PM
Brian, according to some He was also a rebel, a notion that has made a lot of sense to me for many years. http://discordantdude.blogspot.com/2008/02/jesus-power-rebellion-and-elections.html

BlacknBlue1864
06-08-2008, 11:25 AM
Brian, according to some He was also a rebel, a notion that has made a lot of sense to me for many years. http://discordantdude.blogspot.com/2008/02/jesus-power-rebellion-and-elections.html Depends on what you believe, but when you consider that mankind originally rebelled against God, and if you believe that Jesus is God as many Christians do, then no, Jesus was not a rebel at all.

Agnostic Humanist Unitarian Universalist (with a hint of Emersonian transendentalism) sends.

CUPP
06-09-2008, 08:40 AM
I read that production was supposed to start up again it was put on hold cause of Indiana Jones film.... To which I did not like that much. The old ones are better.