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cpl18thvacob
06-06-2006, 03:53 PM
Ok all,

It was brought to my attention by a pard that in period photo's, soldiers are not wearing suspenders over there tucked in battle shirts. I got to looking, and could not even find a photo of suspenders on a soldier anywhere, not in camp, not under open coats, nowhere. Am I missing something, couse my trousers would fall off with out them. Most reenactors I see wear them. Any ideas on the subject?

Cpl. Duffer
18th VA Co B.
Danville Grays.

RJSamp
06-06-2006, 03:59 PM
If your trowsers fit just fine and can stay on at the double quick.....go for it without any means of holding them up exceptin' your hip bones/waist.

For the rest of us......go with whatever suits you.....

Plenty of photos of suspenders, advertisements in newspapers/magazines, listed in sutler For Sale literature., diary mentions, et al... lots of times they are covered up by vest, coat, blouse, et al.....1st MN had hunting shirts early on (Red with Black trim or pants?).....I though they used a big belt to hold it all together....

I'm going to get one of those new fangled Guttie Percha Gallouses myself....not that's a big thing.

tenfed1861
06-06-2006, 04:50 PM
A lot of times,too,they would use just small civilian belts to hold their trousers up with. Some of the men did this since they hated suspenders, feeling like they were going to pop off a button with the wrong move. A small civilian belt from Homespun Wears would work,or just about any small civie belt. Preston Todd did post a picture on the HardCase Boy Forum showing a soldier wearing what looks to be just a old cloth canteen strap at a belt,just tied up every morning.I found that very interesting.I'll try to post in on here if Preston doesn't do so first.Who knows,maybe Nick Sekela will give you info on it,:P.
Cullen Smith

NJ Sekela
06-06-2006, 05:40 PM
Members of the 4th Michigan. The one on the left is using a musket sling as a waist belt.
http://www.njsekela.com/szabo/4thmi.jpg

At this point, I would be glad if I could use a carbine sling!

I am, &c,

NJ Sekela,
Manf'r.
N. Jers'y.


http://www.skilletlicker.com
http://www.ejtsutler.com
http://www.carterandjasper.com

tenfed1861
06-06-2006, 06:27 PM
Nick,why did I know you would post something on this topic?
Cullen

coffeeboiler
06-06-2006, 07:08 PM
Not sure about the battle shirt, but if you're just looking for suspenders, I found a bunch of them while I was compiling the LOC study series.

http://www.cwreenactors.com/~sykes/equipment/LOC_shirts.php

Jim Mayo
06-07-2006, 07:04 AM
Have an interesting pair on this page.

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/j_mayo/relics.html

Cpt Boone
06-07-2006, 08:38 AM
As with the photo's Jim posted, 2 other existing pairs show a similar feature not usually seen in modern reproductions. In Don Troiani's book, can't remember the title off hand, and the T. Otis Baker braces in the Old Capital Museum in Jackson, MS, as well as Jim's photo, you will notice that on the two narrow straps attached to the buckle that one is shorter than the other. I have started to notice this in original photo's too. The shorter of the two straps should be on the outside and makes them hold up better. But I did notice one guy on the Sykes site that Coffeeboiler posted that he has them on reversed. When I discovered this feature last year I made that change in the braces I make. All the guys that wear them have noticed a difference.

cpl18thvacob
06-07-2006, 01:57 PM
Thanks guys,

I hope to find out some more info on the Hunting Shirts our unit wore at 1st Manassas and hopefully we will get them in time. I still don't know if the hunting shirts would have been tucked in our if they would have been allowed to hang outside the pants. If tucked in, I hope our trousers stay in place.

While on the subject of suspenders, I have some homemade H style. Are these period?

Cpl. Kyle A. Duffer
18th VA Co B
Danville Grays

tenfed1861
06-07-2006, 03:51 PM
Out of all the photos I've seen of CS troops in battleshirts, ALL appear to be have thier shirts tucked into their trousers.I do that whenever I wear mine.And my trousers to manage to stay in place.If the trousers are alittle big on you, wear a belt.That wouldn't be a problem. I'm not sure what types of trousers your unit wore,but if it's undocumented, you and your boys could wear civie trousers.A number of CS troops,escpecially in the early days of the war, wore civie trousers.If they did wear military trousers,then just wear a belt.
Cullen Smith

HighPrvt
06-07-2006, 05:02 PM
Carter & Jasper have some beautiful Civilian belts.
http://www.carterandjasper.com/belts.html
These were worn at the top of the pants, similar to a modern belt, but without the belt loops. They're also a nice source for "correct" suspenders.

RJSamp
06-07-2006, 05:56 PM
Nick, the guy on the right has a Musician's Sword on a baldric?

(OK, where's the bugle....)

NJ Sekela
06-07-2006, 09:52 PM
RJ:

Yes, indeed it is.

Jim:

The "dealer" at the show with the display of bullet struck items was John Henry Kurtz.

I am, &c

NJ Sekela,
Manf'r.
N.Jers'y.

http://www.skilletlicker.com
http://www.ejtsutler.com
http://www.carterandjasper.com

Jim Mayo
06-07-2006, 10:24 PM
RJ:


Jim:

The "dealer" at the show with the display of bullet struck items was John Henry Kurtz.

I am, &c

NJ Sekela,
Manf'r.
N.Jers'y.

http://www.skilletlicker.com
http://www.ejtsutler.com
http://www.carterandjasper.com

Thanks for the info. When I got back from the show I realized I had lost his name. What a great display he had!

lazyrebel2
06-08-2006, 08:45 AM
Kyle
You still doing infy. Give me a call to get you in the cav. Did you ever do anything with that old Mac I sold you? If you would like to sell it back give me an email it is in the corps roster
John

cosgood
06-29-2006, 01:09 AM
Heres an image of 2 soldiers wearing suspenders. Hope this helps.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?cwar:18:./temp/~ammem_RegG::displayType=1:m856sd=cwpb:m856sf=0049 8:@@@

Casey Osgood
the Sappers

Rob
06-29-2006, 03:42 AM
Try this link:

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cwpb/00400/00498v.jpg

tenfed1861
06-29-2006, 01:51 PM
If you goto the Hard Case Boys forum,they will be able to help you.There is one section that is just dedicated to photo study.One of the most recent posts was on CS braces.Here's the link:http://www.hardcaseboys.proboards61.com/index.cgi
Hope this helps some.
Cullen Smith