Correct NCO Stripes

[sigman]

I know Nick Sekela had the appropriate curved pattern NCO stripes, but can not seem to access his site. Is there another supplier who has them for sale? We are promoting some new people to the ranks and want to have that correct pattern.
Andy Siganuk, 12th New Jersey, Co. K

[Dignann]

Try contacting Chris Daley (http://www.cjdaley.com/instock.htm). His website lists them as being in stock.

Eric

[tenfed1861]

Orchard Hill has them for sell.

[sigman]

Thanks fellas! Chris Daley, Should of thought of that. My mind drew a blank.
Andy Siganuk

[Ross L. Lamoreaux]

EJ Thomas has them at www.ejtmercantile.com

[Rob]

I know Nick Sekela had the appropriate curved pattern NCO stripes, but can not seem to access his site.
http://www.njsekela.com//OSCommerce/catalog/index.php?cPath=29&osCsid=b58054af7dada7b066b0573c080723f7

[harley_davis]

Regimental Quartermaster has them also.

www.regtqm.com

Your humble servant,

[toptimlrd]

Not sure why you were having problemswith the site, it seems to be up. The home page is www.njsekela.com or you can follow Rob's link right to the stripes. If you have any questions, feel fee to e-mail me at historicgear@aol.com.

[Kevin O'Beirne]

I know Nick Sekela had the appropriate curved pattern NCO stripes,

While elliptical-style chevrons were worn by some Federal non-comms in the Civil War, a brief and unscientific survey of photographs of the period reveals that straight chevrons were probably more common.

Elliptical are probably under-represented in reenacting as a whole, but because certain vendors carry them, they are probably over-represented in certain parts of the hobby.

[E. J. Thomas Mercantile]

Corporal, Sgt & First Sgt available - Sgt stripes on sale here:

http://www.ejtmercantile.com/insignia.html

[1stTexas]

Some more chevrons:

http://www.crescentcitysutler.com/Chevron.html

[sigman]

Kevin, There is an image of a group of 12th NJ nco's from the book "To Gettysburg and Beyond". You can clearly see they are all wearing the eliptical pattern cheverons. So our unit decided that is the what our nco's should be wearing for the sake of a more authentic portrayal.

Andy Siganuk

[Orchard Hill]

Follow this link;
http://dahoude.tripod.com/chevrons.htm
We sell both eliptical and straight. Always in stock because we make them here ourselves.

Regards;

Dan

[clconboy]

Noncommissioned officers mess, Company D, 93rd New York Infantry, Bealeton, VA, 1863.

via civilwarpictures.com

They (in the image) use the "straight" type. I know a lot of people who think that the curved style was really the only authentic one used just because well known makers sell them ...

http://www.civilwar-pictures.com/g/albums/military-life/officers_mess.sized.jpg

[TimKindred]

Heh,


from the seriousness of their visage, one might mistake them for Calvanists..... Either that, or someone just discovered the real source of the fresh "beef"..... ;)

[jda3rd]

Noncommissioned officers mess, Company D, 93rd New York Infantry, Bealeton, VA, 1863.

via civilwarpictures.com

They (in the image) use the "straight" type. I know a lot of people who think that the curved style was really the only authentic one used just because well known makers sell them ...

http://www.civilwar-pictures.com/g/albums/military-life/officers_mess.sized.jpg

And that folding camp table is quite the contraption, too, ain't it?

Frank

[PaperPusher]

And that folding camp table is quite the contraption, too, ain't it?

Frank


If I had more patience I might would try and piece that one together!

[clconboy]

man in the middle has either darker color stripes...or possibly where the chevron was when it was removed?

[toptimlrd]

It is likely a darker "subdued" chevron. As to the curved ones being the only authentic ones, nope but the straight ones are a bit over represented in my opinion.

[clconboy]

It is likely a darker "subdued" chevron. As to the curved ones being the only authentic ones, nope but the straight ones are a bit over represented in my opinion.


ha :D

yes I agree, I see them all time at some events.

[clconboy]

A darker shade possibly...but I don't know. I have never seen one in any book or collection...but I could be wrong as there are probably many things that did exist in that era that are lost to time.

[Swag]

Heres another one of the 93rd Co. D. You can notice again that same gent standing on the left. Its also interesting that his chevrons are elliptical, while the rest are straight. Notice the man in the middle. Are his Chevrons painted on his coat or are they just very faded? It looks to me that the mans a sergeant, but it is hard to see.

Here is the link to the page itself so you may view the higher resolution photo.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?cwar:3:./temp/~ammem_viKd::displayType=1:m856sd=cwpb:m856sf=0384 7:@@@

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cwpb/03800/03847r.jpg

[harley_davis]

Heres another one of the 93rd Co. D. You can notice again that same gent standing on the left. Its also interesting that his chevrons are elliptical, while the rest are straight. Notice the man in the middle. Are his Chevrons painted on his coat or are they just very faded? It looks to me that the mans a sergeant, but it is hard to see.



This is a great photo. It answers my question as to whether both styles would have been seen in one company. I wish I could find a photo such as this of our company. Thank you for sharing this.
Respectfully

[clconboy]

by jove!!!! sean i started something here! ha...

good pic indeed.

[TimKindred]

Comrades,

What you may be seeing, regarding the sergeant with the "dark" chevrons, is a trick of light. His chevrons may well be made of silk, and thus reflect the light more than the worsted tape the others are wearing. He looks the dort of NCO who would be given to "upgrading" his uniform, not that there's anything wrong with that...

Many years ago, Mike Krauss located an original fress coat, ID'd to a CT sergeant, which had the stripes made from a light blue patent-leather. He thought that these must have been added later, until another gentleman produced some letters talking about seeing a group of CT soldiers, and their NCO's had patent leather stripes. This was about 25 years ago or so, but if Mike is still around, he could relate this better.

[clconboy]

Comrades,

What you may be seeing, regarding the sergeant with the "dark" chevrons, is a trick of light. His chevrons may well be made of silk, and thus reflect the light more than the worsted tape the others are wearing. He looks the dort of NCO who would be given to "upgrading" his uniform, not that there's anything wrong with that..


So possibly private purchased?

[TimKindred]

Comrade,

Possibly private-purchase, but the other thing is if he is a member of the regimental staff, certain NCO stripes were to be made of silk, vice worsted. I haven't the regulations to hand here, but it's under the uniform guidleines.

Note also how dark his trowser stripes are compared to the other NCO's.

[Rob]

Here is the link to the page itself so you may view the higher resolution photo.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?cwar:3:./temp/~ammem_viKd::displayType=1:m856sd=cwpb:m856sf=0384 7:@@@


You cannot use the LoC links that way. They won't work. All you need to do is post the photo number - in this case, 04033. Then go to the Search page. Where it says "Search Only", click Number, and put that number in.

[Swag]

Very nice thank you for that info Rob I shall make sure to do it in the future. As far as who has silk chevrons or not I believe, if I remember correctly, that anything above a 1st Sergeant is to be made of silk, instead of the worsted herringbone pattern wool.

[Curt-Heinrich Schmidt]

Hallo!

Regulation or fashion, sometimes, they just made do..
As this image of some 16th OVI lads appear to have done with their trowser stripe material (or previous trowsers):
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/Michael1787/16thOHSilasCorn.jpg

;) :)

CHS

[toptimlrd]

That first shirt and corporal sure look young.

[Rob]

I'll bet the enemy sharpshooters loved those nice, big, bright-colored chevrons.

[Curt-Heinrich Schmidt]

Hallo!

"Take me Bill Tyler! Take me!"

CHS