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sbl
12-31-2007, 06:15 AM
I don't want to clutter up the two posts about women in ranks so I'm posting these photos here. There are some examples of European women re-enacters who would, maybe SHOULD pass muster in ranks.



Individual photos..

http://www.thomason-photography.net/Waterloo/Plancenoit2006/Ladies2006/images/prevs/DSC_0727.jpg

http://www.thomason-photography.net/Waterloo/Plancenoit2006/Ladies2006/images/prevs/DSC_0505.jpg

http://www.thomason-photography.net/Waterloo/Plancenoit2006/Ladies2006/images/prevs/DSC_0548.jpg


http://www.thomason-photography.net/Waterloo/Press2005/images/prevs/PTS2_0178.jpg

http://www.thomason-photography.net/Waterloo/Press2005/images/prevs/PTS1_0211.jpg

http://www.thomason-photography.net/Ramillies2006/Ramillies%20Sunday/images/prevs/DSC_0441.jpg

Spanish

http://www.losarapiles.com/bernardo/losarapiles/galeria/castalia/Recreacion_29.jpg

huntdaw
12-31-2007, 09:36 AM
They pretty much look like women to me - some are easier to spot than others but it's not the body or the wide hips etc all the time - it's the face. These folks have the face of a woman. It's just different. It's pretty obvious that most of these women, with the exception of the hussar, have taken pains to hide their gender but I'm pretty sure I would be able to pick them out as women in a crowd.

The one that comes the closest to passing in my opinion is the third photo of the French infantry soldier. She looks pretty good at that angle but the person behind her is definitely a woman.

Poor Private
12-31-2007, 10:02 AM
Has anyone taken into account that we are putting ladies who are in their late 20's to 30's into these uniforms. Possibly if the ladies were in thier teens to early 20's they would look the same as the males since they haven't gottin into their full womanhood yet. There were more young men in the service at the time than us "old farts". Compare thier average age per unit to ours. So they would look more dare I say the word feminine since they hadn't had their facial hair yet, nore the worry of the world. If you compare todays 17-19 year old male and female side by side I think you would see what I am refering to. And isn't their physical charactoristics smaller than our today duer to diet and work?

sbl
12-31-2007, 10:12 AM
Michael,

I agree with you and I could pick them out IF I was looking. I think the photographer knew these women and was zooming in on them. I picked photos of the best efforts from the collection. The mass troop shots that appeared with these photos don't reveal them overtly as women. I think it's the uniform styles especially the 1720's event photo.

The Spanish event just included female guerrillas in female clothes. I've seen some period prints of that from the Peninsula War.

I have to give them credit for the effort.

southern_belle1861
12-31-2007, 10:29 AM
They *could* pass, they just need to change a few things.

But... Number 5, you could tell shes a woman from anywhere.

chatrbug
12-31-2007, 11:10 AM
Alls I know... I wouldnt want someone looking at me saying "She sure could pass as a male soldier" :) Just not a compliment to me! lol.

flattop32355
01-01-2008, 08:17 AM
Spanish women as irregulars against the French would be accurate. From what I understand, many Spanish women fought in that conflict.

Regular army may be another thing.

sbl
01-01-2008, 09:44 AM
Bernard,

I think that skirt with uniform thing is an "el reenactorisma." Sure is cute though.

coffeecooler80
01-02-2008, 10:29 AM
I always find this discussion funny. Women in the ranks not blending in with the man. I guess the problem is that it is hard for a woman in 2008 to blend with 40ish overweight bearded men. Not going to happen or if it does, well, the would be an expection not the rule.

Could women, let's be realistic, we are talking young girls in their teens or 20 something would have blended much better since the boys who were young too would made finding a young girl much harder. At least I think it would be easier to get away with in 1860 vs 2008. Gray bearded guys vs young men who may or may not have needed to shave. I think back to my roomate in the army who could at 21 go days without shaving, well, at least until Sgt Reed would get a close look at the fuze on his face.

I think that women who at last make an effort deserve some credit....

but you mileage may vary.


Neil

Reliccrazy
01-03-2008, 02:53 PM
I was at Waterloo 2007 as a Red coat, I think I remember seeing a lot of the women pictured, but I don't know if it was me or not, they didn't stand out that much. I think it might be the brighter/nicer uniforms or maybe I was not paying attention.

From the only American at the Waterloo reenactment, apart from, surprise, Napoleon! LOL Why not a French men? Don't ask me!

sbl
01-03-2008, 11:00 PM
Sean,

What's that fellow's name, Mark something? He looks like a "class act." I see his photo on most of the European Nap/War sites.

Reliccrazy
01-04-2008, 04:50 AM
Sean,

What's that fellow's name, Mark something? He looks like a "class act." I see his photo on most of the European Nap/War sites.

His name is Mark Schneider. He's from Virginia or at least lives there and a big reason he is Le Emperor, he can ride, so I've read. Other than that, that's all I know about him. That event was fun as **** too. Ramming rounds with your ram rods, fixed bayonets at close quarters, guys jumping around, Cavalry "attacking" squares. Ah, sounds like the stories of how reenactments were in the 80's here!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4110194.stm Something about the event.

Also on the subject of Waterloo, laughter "more than likely will not" ensues!-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgyq0...
It's like your really there at the battle of Waterloo, fought of course sometime in 1970's, judging by the clothing. Hahaha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vlcu...
This does not even give a vague idea what Waterloo even is! I thought it was only a song, not something real or some battle! Who is this Napoleon too and why aren't dressed in shiny clothing!?

Then, of course, there is a Lego version of Waterloo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-9rz...

Doug Cooper
01-04-2008, 09:52 AM
It could be worse comrades - in both cost and patience:

text from the first article on being a Napoleonic reenactor (exchange rate today is $1.977 to 1 GBP):

"He is a sergeant with the 30eme de ligne (a foot regiment in Napoleon's army). "I'd say it costs a minimum of 1,000 ($1977) to get someone on the field."

"An average of 2,000 ($3954)," says Wagg. "And 3,000 ($5931) for a hussar."

"Then you need a shotgun certificate, an explosives licence for black powder, and a European firearms pass," says Sean."

hussard7
01-04-2008, 05:46 PM
All:
Thats correct, Mark is a member of Brigade Napoleon and a trooper in the 7eme Hussars. He is a coachman at Williamsburg. Most of the Napoleons in the past at Waterloo have been older. At the 1995 event there were three, one even had the bad taste to have a heart attack, but only one was authorized.

Remember that the Emperor was not French, he was Corsican.

Yours,
Wayne Gregory
Stafford, VA