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sbl
06-18-2007, 04:19 PM
Thousands meet their Waterloo in re-enactment of famous battle



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-06-18-waterloo_N.htm

rick35ovi
06-18-2007, 08:23 PM
Wish we could have that kind of enthusiasm here again. Here is another link with more pictures. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070618/ap_on_re_eu/waterloo_reenactment

Rob Weaver
06-19-2007, 06:48 AM
My youngest daughter was born on the anniversary of Waterloo. How cool is that?!?
I do see that enthusiasm. Every time I take the field!

Robert A Mosher
06-19-2007, 02:13 PM
One of the posters on the Napoleon Series Forum provided the following link to the Russian television news coverage of both Waterloo and the reenactment of the Battle of Friedland that was also held recently:
<http://news.ntv.ru/111486>

after the evening news announcer stops talking he goes to the video from his on site reporter. Friedland comes first and then the announcer sets the scene for the link to the Waterloo battle.

I found the streaming video struggled a bit - it's also in Russian so you may not need the sound :) - BTW one of the red hussars is a galtrooper. Personally, having seen three reenactments of Borodino live while in Russia, and looking at these video clips, I think we might be better off without such enthusiasm. I see little drill, the same issues of too small units, anachronisms abound, and safety isn't as much of concern (and accompanied apparently by lower standards of training). On the other hand, it is colorful, the bagpiper can play and wear his kilt on the battlefield - but the Indian would still have to sit on the sidelines!! Maybe he could join Napoleon's Mamelukes?

Robert A. Mosher

sbl
06-19-2007, 04:30 PM
Robert,

Another Eastern European battle had "Borat" in the audience.

http://hardkernel.kbx.cz/corporal/2007/07-06-09-Predmerice/Predmerice%20-%20Detsky%20den/images/016_predmerice.jpg

Marc
06-20-2007, 06:31 AM
Colorful uniforms that is for sure.....wonder how the discussion goes for authenticity and correctness of uniforms for that time period. All the different regiments and countries....tough to have more than one impression for that war.

Robert A Mosher
06-20-2007, 09:43 AM
Marc -
One of my braver American colleagues (also a reenactor) got to know some of the Russian reenactors pretty well. He visited their camp during one of the Borodino reenactments and reported it to be awash in vodka and other spirits as well as anachronistic armaments such as Ak-47s (didn't occur to me to ask at the time if they'd ever heard of Harry Turtledove!). But what really sent him hurrying out of the camp was overhearing a conversation between a Russian reenactor and his girlfriend - "Of course the Captain will let you fire the howitzer, dear."

Robert A. Mosher

sbl
06-20-2007, 10:00 AM
Robert,

I like to look at the photo albums of these European groups. The men have a visibly bleary look in the photos of their camps.

I'm amazed that there are units such as the Guardkorps in the Czech Rep. that have impressions for several wars. (I have gear for two myself)

The Europeans also have those weeks of paid vacation that we don't get.

Robert A Mosher
06-20-2007, 11:02 AM
Scott -

They do photograph well. I should have added that while one can quibble with the appearance of some of their uniforms, some of the Russian units look quite good. There was one member of the reenacted Pavlov Grenadiers who looked as if he could have marched in the ranks at Borodino. Some of the mounted units also look quite good. A few groups also do the same sort of battlefield and memorial preservation efforts that are popular over here.

Robert A. Mosher

sbl
06-20-2007, 12:09 PM
Rather than the "Indian" who wants to play with us, I've seen photos of guys portraying Cossacks, and other "tribal" looking Steppe-Dwellers with the Russians.

Of note are their Cantinieres or who look well dressed and lovely.

Rob Weaver
06-20-2007, 12:34 PM
Wait a minute: On this side of the pond, when reenactments include overage and overweight reenactors, women in the ranks, alcohol induced enthusiasm and too many generals we light them up as "fests." Do I detect a note of puritanical American snobbery, peut etre? ;) (Or however that's spelled.)

sbl
06-20-2007, 03:06 PM
Rob,

Not from me. I live vicariously by looking at other folks reenacting.

Robert A Mosher
06-21-2007, 06:42 AM
Wait a minute: On this side of the pond, when reenactments include overage and overweight reenactors, women in the ranks, alcohol induced enthusiasm and too many generals we light them up as "fests." Do I detect a note of puritanical American snobbery, peut etre? ;) (Or however that's spelled.)

Rob -
First we have to evaluate each reenacting event on the basis of what are the known-knowns, known-unknowns, unknown knowns, and the unknown unknowns. Then we determine whether the reenactors in question come from the bad "old Europe" or the good "new Europe." Then we decide whether to call the event a "freedom fest" or a "french fry."

Robert A. Mosher

Rob Weaver
06-21-2007, 10:09 AM
I have a 19-month-old at home; I say "Know-Know" all the time.:D

Robert A Mosher
06-22-2007, 01:01 PM
For those who are interested, here are a couple of links to some more photos from the 2007 reenactment of the Battle of Waterloo:

From some Dutch participants: http://www.nanweb.org/verslagen.html the link should bring up a list of photo albums right at the top labeled as "Slag bij Waterloo, en June 16-17 2007" and those are the albums you want to look at.

Some more photos can be found at: http://picasaweb.google.com/lumiere.photos/Plancenoit2007 with a mix of English and French captions but pretty much self-explanatory.

Robert A. Mosher

sbl
06-22-2007, 07:39 PM
Robert,

Thanks for these links!