RJSamp
04-07-2007, 02:03 PM
A good discussion going on the AC about this:
http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9842
albeit they aren't getting to the right answer very quickly.
TWO PM's are authorized per Regiment. See Scott's, Hardee's, Casey's.
1 commands the Field Musics (Drummers, Fifers, Buglers)
1 commands the BAND (Cornets, Trumpets, Horns, maybe a percussionist or two).
See Scott's, Hardee's, Casey's. Careful when reading Kautz, he's not superbly organized and keeps jumping back and forth between branches of the military as well as the year as he talks about chief trumpeters, pay rates, principal musicians, et al.
In the absence of a PM, the Sergeant Major commands the Field Music's (tin ear and all).
GO 191 kills over 95% of regimental bands.....along with a second Principal Musician (the band leader).
Drum Major, Fife Major usually in reference to the Principal Musician of the Field Musics......or may be in reference to the principal Drummer, or Fifer.
Fife Major as Principal Musician relatively rare......Drum Major as Principal Musician more common.....and of course just an old grizzled musician with a mace as PM was the most common of all (non playing).
The Band Leader (was sometimes called a Drum Major), would be the principal musician of the Band. So when you see Jari in his bear skin towering hat you could refer to him as the Band Leader, Drum Major, or Principal Musician.....you'd be correct in all three.
So who's the leader of the club that's made for you and me.
Very few regimental buglers called Chief Buglers, wore the insignia of a principal musician, or were paid more money....(in cavalry they were.....1st Mass Infantry had a chief bugler, 124th NYSV Chief Bugler wore the PM chevrons for dress....in general if the Companies had buglers, then the Regimental Bugler MIGHT be a Chief Bugler). Recall that Oliver Norton complained to his sister in a letter that he was the Brigade Bugler but wasn't getting paid more than a Private.
I don't see fifers, drummers being issued additonal chevrons.....exceptions might be if they were actually falling in as a rifle toting Corporal or Sargeant. Corporal Eggleston with the 6th Wisconsin, Iron Brigade, I Corps, Army of the Potomac would be one of these exceptions (he was initially a drummer). Again, Oliver Norton is a great example....he was initially a rifleman in the 83rd PA out of Erie (a true Private, as opposed to a Musician)....became a bugler/regimental bugler (one of two)...rose to Brigade Bugler (Butterfield and Vincent)....and then to Officer......only carried additional rank when he received his commission as a Lieutenant.
Any questions? Let 'er rip!
http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9842
albeit they aren't getting to the right answer very quickly.
TWO PM's are authorized per Regiment. See Scott's, Hardee's, Casey's.
1 commands the Field Musics (Drummers, Fifers, Buglers)
1 commands the BAND (Cornets, Trumpets, Horns, maybe a percussionist or two).
See Scott's, Hardee's, Casey's. Careful when reading Kautz, he's not superbly organized and keeps jumping back and forth between branches of the military as well as the year as he talks about chief trumpeters, pay rates, principal musicians, et al.
In the absence of a PM, the Sergeant Major commands the Field Music's (tin ear and all).
GO 191 kills over 95% of regimental bands.....along with a second Principal Musician (the band leader).
Drum Major, Fife Major usually in reference to the Principal Musician of the Field Musics......or may be in reference to the principal Drummer, or Fifer.
Fife Major as Principal Musician relatively rare......Drum Major as Principal Musician more common.....and of course just an old grizzled musician with a mace as PM was the most common of all (non playing).
The Band Leader (was sometimes called a Drum Major), would be the principal musician of the Band. So when you see Jari in his bear skin towering hat you could refer to him as the Band Leader, Drum Major, or Principal Musician.....you'd be correct in all three.
So who's the leader of the club that's made for you and me.
Very few regimental buglers called Chief Buglers, wore the insignia of a principal musician, or were paid more money....(in cavalry they were.....1st Mass Infantry had a chief bugler, 124th NYSV Chief Bugler wore the PM chevrons for dress....in general if the Companies had buglers, then the Regimental Bugler MIGHT be a Chief Bugler). Recall that Oliver Norton complained to his sister in a letter that he was the Brigade Bugler but wasn't getting paid more than a Private.
I don't see fifers, drummers being issued additonal chevrons.....exceptions might be if they were actually falling in as a rifle toting Corporal or Sargeant. Corporal Eggleston with the 6th Wisconsin, Iron Brigade, I Corps, Army of the Potomac would be one of these exceptions (he was initially a drummer). Again, Oliver Norton is a great example....he was initially a rifleman in the 83rd PA out of Erie (a true Private, as opposed to a Musician)....became a bugler/regimental bugler (one of two)...rose to Brigade Bugler (Butterfield and Vincent)....and then to Officer......only carried additional rank when he received his commission as a Lieutenant.
Any questions? Let 'er rip!