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Robert A Mosher
12-06-2006, 02:16 PM
Did I miss an announcement? I can't seem to get to the Camp Chase forum but I notice that no one else has brought it up so perhaps its just me.

(I posted this here because the Whine Cellar seemed the appropriate place to discuss the Camp Chase Forum - ;> )

Robert A. Mosher

tompritchett
12-06-2006, 03:24 PM
In addition to Moderating here, I am a moderator on that forum. Periodically when the Camp Chase Forum updates its website, they drop the index for the forum from the website database. It happened again over a week ago. Each time it occurs we always wonder if they are going to set up back up again or finally pull the plug. Our software guru contacted them within one or two days and we are now waiting to see what is going to happen. If and when it comes back on line, we will post a notice here.

Thank you for noticing.

Robert A Mosher
12-13-2006, 01:00 PM
Well I notice that the forum isn't back yet, but I also find that the Gazette website appears to have had a makeover: http://www.campchase.com/news/index.asp

Not sure that I like it better than the old one - but I also noticed that the home page has a link on it that will take you to articles that can be read on line. I was curious to note the story that appears on the new webpage via that link. Judging by the byline on the story I assume that this is not the real author's name - and the subject of the article made me wonder if this was not also the article discussed on several fora a while back that was a plagerism of an article written by an esteemed member of this and other online forums? If so, that would appear to me to be a bad choice for the first article to come up on the Gazette's online pages. But then, what do I know - I don't even by Stephen Ambrose's books anymore.

Robert A. Mosher

sbl
12-13-2006, 01:58 PM
..but i notice that folks run HERE to ask about other Forums being down. This is like an old girlfriend calling you up to help her move or tell you her troubles with her new boyfriend.

( ;-) )

tompritchett
12-13-2006, 02:20 PM
Well I notice that the forum isn't back yet, but I also find that the Gazette website appears to have had a makeover: http://www.campchase.com/news/index.asp

Not anymore. The whole CampChase website system seems to have disappeared now.

As to Scott's comment, maybe they post over here because of our large membership. They figure somebody here must know what is going on. After all, typically there is at least one or more moderators from almost all the forums that regularly check in here also.

GrumpyDave
12-13-2006, 06:31 PM
We usually hear form someone by now. I think the forum is gonzo. Saves me 20 minutes every morning. Things were picking up a little bit over there.

Memphis
12-14-2006, 08:43 AM
It is a good assumption someone wouldn't ask about Camp Chase Gazette forum on the Authentic Campaigner forum, although lately it has been difficult to ascertain the difference at times.

flattop32355
12-14-2006, 02:48 PM
It is a good assumption someone wouldn't ask about Camp Chase Gazette forum on the Authentic Campaigner forum, although lately it has been difficult to ascertain the difference at times.

Who says it's always the mainstreamers who keep pushing the "Us vs. Them" battles? ;)

Guilt enought for all to go around....Meanwhile, I'll probably see most of you in the field at some point.

Rob Weaver
12-19-2006, 07:32 AM
As of Dec. 19th, I could access the home page at the URL above. I was going to post a cheeky reply about Stephen Ambrose not really putting out much new material anymore, then I saw the byline on the Camp Chase article. Hey, if Marcus Reno can do it ... I wait with breathlessly for an update from Hammurapi any day. :D

Robert A Mosher
12-19-2006, 04:41 PM
Rob -
Thanks for having looked twice before firing - there are enough cross-eyed snipers out there already (yeh, I know it's the whine cellar, but you're the only one who actually addressed the point I was trying to make!).

As to Ambrose - he was actually rather prolific. I have picked up some of his early more academic works on Emory Upton and Henry Halleck, which make for interesting reading. But after his plagirism problems, I gave up on his more modern and more recent material. Having grown up reading Cornelius Ryan, I always found Ambrose' approach rather old hat - still interesting reading but not something radically new or different from what other historians had done.

Robert A. Mosher

RJSamp
12-19-2006, 05:29 PM
Rob -
Thanks for having looked twice before firing - there are enough cross-eyed snipers out there already (yeh, I know it's the whine cellar, but you're the only one who actually addressed the point I was trying to make!).

As to Ambrose - he was actually rather prolific. I have picked up some of his early more academic works on Emory Upton and Henry Halleck, which make for interesting reading. But after his plagirism problems, I gave up on his more modern and more recent material. Having grown up reading Cornelius Ryan, I always found Ambrose' approach rather old hat - still interesting reading but not something radically new or different from what other historians had done.

Robert A. Mosher

Agree. Read a lot of SLA Marshall stuff as well.....Battle at Best still a good read (with its 4 short stories, including Best Holland). SLAM was noted for going out and interviewing dozens of soldiers of all ranks....then putting together the story.... While he was interviewing the DDay survivors of the 29th Inf Division he lost a few of his potential interviewees to combat.....


Although I thought that I had read somewhere that he took a few liberties with sources, copy, other's works, etc..... maybe I'm off base there.

Robert A Mosher
12-19-2006, 08:51 PM
RJ -
David Hackworth was the first source I read who rang alarm bells about SLAM - he was Marshall's escort/security guy in Korea during one of his research visits there and did the same thing for him in Vietnam years later. His observations about Marshall's methods were rather critical. I subsequently found a fair amount of material in Parameters and Military Review that offered the same idea in rather more academic language. I would still suggest reading Marshall if you are a serious student of combat - but also read his critics. They are not too hard to find on the internet.

Robert A. Mosher

PS - I did find Ambrose's book on Henry Halleck an interesting an informative read. It had the feel of being a more classically academic work and perhaps that encouraged more discipline in his research. I haven't read the book on Upton yet, but hope to soon. Curse doctoral programs!

Rob Weaver
12-20-2006, 06:38 PM
Ah, Cornelius Ryan ... "The Last Battle" is one of the most poignant military histories ever written!