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alton woods
04-08-2010, 06:27 AM
It’s official, David LeVan is making another attempt to put up a Casino ˝ mile from the edge of Gettysburg National Park……it’s pretty simple we need as many signatures as possible


http://nocasinogettysburg.org/sign-the-petition


Also, if you are a sutler, unit webmaster or hosting an event…it would be great to swap links….we have several banners and I am make customs ones if needed be…..that’s all for now, Susan Paddock, myself and everyone involved thank you for your support….

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/businesses-against-casino

will be creating 11x17 posters for business shortly…stay in touch…and once again thank you

lincolnsguard
04-08-2010, 08:21 AM
Something major happened yesterday. The silence from the opposition was uslelss. Their defense was a Casino didn't belong in a small rural area like their county outside of Gettysburg. :confused:

alton woods
04-08-2010, 08:41 AM
April 7 2010 was the deadline to apply for ONE Category 3 Casino license.

There five applicants for this one license. Now we are in the review phase.
They will review the following for each applicant

1: the applicants background and credit checks
2: the business plan of the proposed casino and projected profits
3: the communities reaction to the casino….which will be announced…..

so basically the louder we scream the more impact we have….now if for what ever reasons….if license we go into the appeal phase….let hope it doesn’t come to that…

I hope this clears things up….

lincolnsguard
04-08-2010, 11:23 AM
I was there. In the room, standing quietly at the rear. I was on the TV this morning. The "No Casino" folks said and did nothing; before during or after the meeting. Woo Hoo, they all had on the same t-shirts. Now, it's down to 1/4 odds and a politicians decision.

GrumpyDave
04-08-2010, 02:51 PM
Yea, I saw the blurb on the local Fox news station this morning. The "No Casino" folks, how do I want to say this, didn't look like they gave a darn what happened.

lincolnsguard
04-16-2010, 02:14 PM
Our esteemed (cough, cough, spit spit) Govenor here from PA was on the TV this morning, touting the millions and millions of bucks the casino's generated to relieve local property taxes to the tune of $200 per property owner. (My property tax bill was the same as last year, go figure.) And, he's behind the Gettysburg location. Still 1 in 4 odds. I hate that guy.:sad:

billwatson2
04-16-2010, 02:24 PM
Property tax relief did occur. Your local spending entities (townships, counties, especially schools) simply spent more. Therefore you didn't notice it. If you have a property tax bill (some folks with mortgages never actually see it) there is an item listed "homestead exclusion," and it can range from $115 to $240 or so. That's the casino money, you see it as a direct deduction from the total tax bill.

If you did not apply for the homestead exclusion in the past three years, it won't be there.

(I'm not advocating a casino at Gettysburg. It's a terrible idea, if for no other reason than it will bring more business people who don't care about history into proximity with one of the most historic shrines we have. The end result will be an increase in the relentless assault on Gettysburg history, on the land itself, by all non-history forces intent on making money from the casino. A casino empowers and legitimizes a business segment not dependent on history. That might be fine for the Poconos, not such a good idea for Gettysburg. It's also something that hasn't much been discussed, the long-term effect of a non-history "economic engine" in the same place as a national historic shrine. It is actually creating fuel for polarization into the future, to the inevitable detriment of the history. )

alton woods
04-16-2010, 02:40 PM
Ron Maxwell was our guest speaker last night.....here it is....

Ron Maxwell Speaking (http://vimeo.com/10970307)

huntdaw
04-16-2010, 06:20 PM
Looked like I saw Robert E. Lee and U.S. Grant in the front row there. Wow, that will really help the cause. Maybe I'm just too jaded but a couple of fellows dressed like that in the front row with their lady friends in 'authentic' garb might make a lot of folks not take the issue seriously.

retter
04-17-2010, 11:02 PM
We took a ride up to Gettysburg today. As usual once we crossed into PA we got off onto business Rt 15 and followed it into town. As we drove I did a quick count of the casino signs posted along the road in yards and windows. "FOR CASINO" signs outnumbered "No Casino" signs by almost three to one. Doesn't appear to bode well for history.

Marc
04-19-2010, 11:32 AM
(I'm not advocating a casino at Gettysburg. It's a terrible idea, if for no other reason than it will bring more business people who don't care about history into proximity with one of the most historic shrines we have. The end result will be an increase in the relentless assault on Gettysburg history, on the land itself, by all non-history forces intent on making money from the casino. A casino empowers and legitimizes a business segment not dependent on history. That might be fine for the Poconos, not such a good idea for Gettysburg. It's also something that hasn't much been discussed, the long-term effect of a non-history "economic engine" in the same place as a national historic shrine. It is actually creating fuel for polarization into the future, to the inevitable detriment of the history. )


Bill,

I like what you have written.....makes good sense

CameronsHighlander
04-21-2010, 11:55 PM
I hate to stick my neck out here but I'm probably going to catch **** for this but I am for the Casino. There are a ton of Positives to having it the biggest is Jobs, right now where unemployment rates are well above what anyone ever could predict these will be essential for the economy. The next will be a trickle down theory the casino makes money brining people to the town, then the Gas Stations make money because people will drive to them, the Fast Food Resturants make money because people need to eat, the home owner property values go up and eventually the History dependant sites will make money.

alton woods
04-22-2010, 11:52 AM
1: Yards signs......alot are being stolen....but I am not allowed to say from whom...or I will get ton's of spam....it appears that it's 50/50 on how people feel about the casino in-town....as you go out further....it leans towards no....if you have a chance take a look that "poll" that was sent....it doesn't mention the Mason Dixon all...more of whether you agree/disagree with gambling in Pa.

2: Jobs, c'mon Adams county has low unemp. rate compared to most in the state...

http://www.bls.gov/ro3/palaus.htm

compare their rate to the other Casino proposed.....Fayette County has 13.5 percent...

3: Casino would create jobs and would start attracting other businesses that are not for matter speaking, historically pleasing.....yeah can't wait to go to Regimental...then step next door the pawn shop....

4: Do you think they will stop building? Are you nuts....take look at the site, the Western Inn, Red Carpet Inn and the Battlefield Bed and Breakfast will all put up for sale signs.....

listen....we are not anti Casino....it's too close to the field...it will make an impact and unfortunately not for the better....

sign the petition

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/petitions

......swap links with us....

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/businesses-against-casino

billwatson2
04-22-2010, 02:53 PM
I hate to stick my neck out here but I'm probably going to catch **** for this but I am for the Casino. There are a ton of Positives to having it the biggest is Jobs, right now where unemployment rates are well above what anyone ever could predict these will be essential for the economy. The next will be a trickle down theory the casino makes money brining people to the town, then the Gas Stations make money because people will drive to them, the Fast Food Resturants make money because people need to eat, the home owner property values go up and eventually the History dependant sites will make money.

Dude, forget it. When you get a casino it takes control. Ours in the Poconos told the township where it's located to take back jurisdiction of a road from the state, then told the township how to redesign the road. It was even worse in Atlantic City while I was there, the casinos got all the attention and the rest of the town just continued to wither and shrivel and die. You're summoning an evil genie thinking you're going to outsmart it and get three wishes, and we all know how that turns out. And if that's not enough, let me go all Old Testament on you and suggest you read about Esau, who sold his birthright for a bowl of beans.

CameronsHighlander
04-23-2010, 02:03 AM
like I said my neck is out and her comes the ax

NYCivilWar
04-23-2010, 07:00 AM
The next will be a trickle down theory the casino makes money brining people to the town, then the Gas Stations make money because people will drive to them, the Fast Food Resturants make money because people need to eat, the home owner property values go up and eventually the History dependant sites will make money.

Just what the Gettysburg area needs MORE of: gas stations and fast food restaurants. Sounds awesome!

-Kyle M. Stetz

HandSpike
04-23-2010, 09:35 PM
I would ask those who are in favor of Casinos to take a survey of other cities and towns which allowed these establishments in the door with a promise of jobs and economic gain and see what soon followed. Then come back and say it is a good idea. I can tell you right now, one family that loves Gettysburg, had two relatives on Cemetary Hill, and brings their Grandchildren to teach them about their proud heritage will no longer be coming to visit if the Casino is built at the proposed location. Abraham Lincoln dedicated the cemetery and fields around Gettysburg calling them "Hallowed Ground!" He also stated the the sacrifice of "these brave men would not be forgotten." Are they being forgotten? Is this truly hallowed ground? Why do we take the time and make the effort to reenact, and pay homage if we sell out for a few token jobs? I dare say casino gambling in Gettysburg is a slap not only to those who gave their all, but also to the words spoken on their behalf in November of 1863 . If we allow this kind of thinking to take presidence what heritage do we leave future generations? Lets just plow up all of the battlefields and put in paid parking garages, Walmarts, Seven Elevens, and strip malls. Wow, booming economy!! I hate the fact that we even need to have this discussion, some things should be off limits because of what it is. I suggest if the powers that be would like casinos to place them in Ed Rendell's front yard! Better yet put them on the grounds of the capital.

Handspike

billwatson2
04-24-2010, 07:08 AM
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"like I said my neck is out and her comes the ax"

Pointing out the experience elsewhere and some plausible but erroneous assumptions on your part is not chopping your head off. Gambling can be a big economic engine, no doubt about it. But the thing about big economic engines is, they do what they want to do and make you do it, too. When they reach the point they don't need to be a parasite on Historic Gettysburg visitors, and are drawing as a destination in their own right from Baltimore and Washington, they'll call the shots accordingly. That may be 10 years down the road, and the National Park Service itself is a formidable defender. But it is subject to local economic pressure. Up here the Delaware Water Gap unit of the park has put off for years a plan to make a narrow park road one-way, something that would make the park better much as the one-ways in the Gettysburg park eliminate some of the chaos. Local developers and municipal officials howled, because that road is the alternate route when the main roads clog up because there are too many people here. So the park "waited" to do what was best for itself. And that wasn't even a casino-related issue, it was just the usual crowd of folks, the ones who are building houses shoulder to shoulder everywhere like the headstones at Andersonville. Look at the pressure on the Manassas battlefield for a road widening. Look at Route 3 four-laned right through Chancellorsville, wiping out ground where Stuart's attack was broken up the day after Jackson was shot. I can tell you where to go to look for Confederate flags captured by New Jersey boys; they are in Trenton. I can no longer show you the spot where it happened. It's under asphalt.

Ask yourself why, with regular economic and development pressure capable of doing those things, you'd want to bring a non-history economic engine, one with a ravenous appetite and the dead-eyed souls and boundless ambition of people like Donald Trump and Steve Wynn, to a town where the nation's fate was decided by a three-day battle. You're inviting a monster to sit down and feast on your treasure. You're inviting Ben Butler to marry your daughter. You're making a pact with the Devil.

But I'm not chopping your head off. I'm telling you things out of the experiences I've had and the things I've noticed. If you have not had first-hand experience, either of the normal pressures of economic development or of the particular pressures that can be exerted by An Area's Biggest Employer, then you don't know these things. You can still share my canteen any time you want.

alton woods
04-27-2010, 11:32 AM
about to ruin my day.....guys....this not just a Casino going in....it's master planning on their part....as I said before....take look at the local....god forbid if LeVan/Penn National should win.....in another five years we will be fighting the horse track that will go north of the Eisenhower....and as far as anything Civil War.....the Pro-Casino's want it gone and far as Pro Casino be hometown friendly people since we last talked the (Pros) rallied together to have a College Professor fired.....so you be the judge...as said before....we aren't anti-Casino.....just anti-Casino Gettysburg....I really need your help...for those who signed on as Volunteer's will get to back to you soon.

http://nocasinogettysburg.ning.com/notes/Pro_Casino_trying_to_get_Violet_Clark_fired

lincolnsguard
04-28-2010, 02:55 PM
At least Horse Racing is a period event.


As sad as it seems, I keep seeing too much from the Rendell political machine that says this is going to happen. He's always taken care of his friends.

CameronsHighlander
04-28-2010, 10:43 PM
sorry but I'm sticking with it if it's not on the battlefield then I have no problem with it

Upstate
05-01-2010, 08:36 PM
....of jobs to justify a project. A friend of ours who lives in Dover Del worked as a security offcier for a casino and left for a production line job becasue it paid better. Seriously take a look & think about the types and pay of the jobs that come along with such an enterprise. Folks castigate Walmart for being a low paying service sector taskmaster. The casino will be no better in the long run. The $$ is not going to made by the employees engaged in the food service, beverage or housekeeping jobs. The good money will be made by the investors who will not be living with consequences of said project.

I don't necessarily have a prob with a casino in the Gburg area, there needs to be a balance of economic growth v. status quo, for an area to continue to prosper, just not at the currently contemplated location. Too much traffic, too small a road network and too much human footprint impact in too small a space. Location, location .....

double_quick
05-01-2010, 08:57 PM
Horse tracks, casinos? Why has all of the sudden Gettysburg, Pennsylvania become a hotbed for gambling activity?

CameronsHighlander
05-05-2010, 12:51 AM
one word "Tourists" the same reason there are ton of other businesses in Gettyburg capitalization off 150,000 people fighting for Freedom.

I know people who go to Gettyburg to hit the Outlet stores, Boyds Bears, the go-cart track, or the Little Horse Ranch most people drive over a spot where someone died or several hundreds died and don't care what happend and thats not going to change. So trying to stop the casino would be like trying to stop the Ocean with your bare hands, you'll stop some water but not enough to have any major effect. How about this you petition the town to get that house on the Baltimore Pike to repaint the wood from that God Awful Lime, Yellow, and Blue thats a real eyesore in the middle of that part of town. Imagine if it had been like that during the battle Union and Confederate would have stopped shooting to white wash it...

lincolnsguard
05-12-2010, 02:14 PM
I was talking on the phone to a friend from sourhern Virginia last night. He thinks the Casino would be a great thing for Gettysburg and here's why.

"I come up to Gettysburg once or twice a year. I stay in a hotel. What is there to do in that town after it gets dark? Ghost tours, I don't think so. But, if there was a Casino, I could do my battlefield stuff and shopping during the day then take a shower and head over to the Casino for dinner and fun or to one of the local feed bags and then over to the Casino. It makes perfect sense to me. Heck, the folks in and around Gettysburg have historically taken advantage of the battle and battlefield. It's documented Adams County folks were taking money from the wounded soldiers as early as July 5th. Why should they stop now?"


I had no argument. Maybe we should start efforts on a noise ordinance so at least the place is quiet. Darn mororcycles. Herds and herds of em'.:rolleyes:

dculgan
05-12-2010, 02:41 PM
It's documented Adams County folks were taking money from the wounded soldiers as early as July 5th. Why should they stop now?"


I'd like to think we've come some distance as a society in the past 150 years, what was right back then doesn't necessarily carry forward to today. But I agree about the noise, if I was in a position to vote on such a thing I would probably vote for some sort of ordinance.
D Culgan

PrattStreetRioter
05-12-2010, 03:26 PM
What about Vicksburg?

Me and some buddies stopped their on the way to "Into the piney woods" last year. Vicksburg battlefield has to be the most "epic" site I've seen. It puts anything here in the east to shame.

But they have a dozen or more riverboat casinos.

Gettysburg is a tourist trap anyway, between all the ghost tours and t shirt vendors.


How have casinos ruined Vicksburg?

And isn't it only slots that they want to put in at the Eisenhower?

Shermans_Neckties
05-12-2010, 05:41 PM
The casinos at Vicksburg haven't ruined the battlefield at all. I was there last summer and even had dinner at one of the casinos. I don't gamble (quite frankly, I don't see why people are attracted to it), but I it didn't ruin my visit. I did not see any of the low-class of people that I keep hearing casinos attract. Most gamblers there were little old retired couples throwing their retirement money away. Big yawn.

Quickstep
05-18-2010, 08:24 PM
The local paper ran an Associated Press story today on the CWPT's 10 most endangered sites that includes mention of the Gettysburg casino controversy. See article titled "Report: Gettysburg, South Mountain among most-threatened Civil War battlefields"

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=104880

DColeman
05-19-2010, 11:13 AM
I think most of us go to Gettysburg for the onion soup at the Dobbin House, spoon bread at the Farnsworth and several pints of Smithwicks at O'Rourkes. :cool:

Seriously, since it will be in an already existing structure, I'm not thrilled but I can't help but think it's really not a big deal. One thing is for sure IMHO I think the Eisenhauer will look a heck of lot better when they pump some money into that place.

lincolnsguard
05-19-2010, 03:21 PM
Dont forget the horse track.:eek:

alton woods
08-05-2010, 10:45 AM
State Rep. Dan Moul calls a casino for Gettysburg a "local issue." Should those who live outside the area stay out of the debate?

Vote Now

http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/news/

Remise
08-11-2010, 09:29 AM
State Rep. Dan Moul calls a casino for Gettysburg a "local issue." Should those who live outside the area stay out of the debate?

Vote Now

http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/news/

From what I have been told by people who live in Gettysburg, people like many of us probably spend more time on the battlefield in any given summer than most of the residents have spent there in their entire lives, so I think we do have a right to express our opinions. And, of course, it is a national battlefield park, after all...

P.S. The current poll question seems to be, "Should bicycles be allowed on the sidewalk?"

B.C. Milligan

celtfiddler
08-16-2010, 05:10 AM
State Rep. Dan Moul calls a casino for Gettysburg a "local issue." Should those who live outside the area stay out of the debate?

Vote Now

http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/news/

Considering the reliance that many of the businesses have on tourism to survive, and that 6,000 acres of the town are National Park Service land, it's not a local issue.

Another way to look at it, National Parks belong to the people of this country, they are our national treasures--we have a right to speak up about things that could negatively impact them.

HandSpike
08-18-2010, 06:46 AM
Lets face it, no matter how much we are against this casino it's going to happen. The fix is in ... !! The public meetings are just a joke. Those behind this already know its going to happen. It all just makes me sick. Those who back this will find out in a few years that they have sold out for a few beads and trinkets. I feel sorry for what it means for our children and grandchildren.

CUPP
08-18-2010, 09:00 PM
Seen this info on another forum, But felt it could be added here ?

The Gettysburg battlefield preservation association is backing the CASION !

Sad day

Here is the link

http://www.gbpa.org/index.html

HandSpike
08-18-2010, 09:23 PM
Guess they sold out as well ... Wonder what they got out of the deal? A big grant perhaps?

Quickstep
08-19-2010, 06:14 AM
Guess they sold out as well ... Wonder what they got out of the deal? A big grant perhaps?

Whatever their motivation, their actions have thrust the issue onto the national stage once again--I just saw a lengthy report on the Fox News morning show on the casino and the GBPA's decision to support it.

They did a decent job of presenting both sides of the issue, illustrated with a series of CW photography, including what looked like period drawings and paintings, one of which was Lincoln giving the Gettysburg Address.

They urged people to voice their opinions at: friends@foxnews.com, which means they will probably be continuing to cover the story and read excerpts from the emails they receive. Perhaps more national news organizations will pick up the story and run with it, increasing awareness of the issue.

lincolnsguard
08-19-2010, 11:59 AM
Is it time now for an "I told ya so?" That's old news here in the community. Guess how many GBPA members own businesses in Gettysburg? The way to stop this thing is to prove, the ground where the convention center sits, is part of the battlefield. Then, all kinds of "No Casino" good laws come in to play. There's good evidence being presented as to where Gamble's Cavaly started on July 3rd, poor Farnsworth......

CUPP
08-19-2010, 11:03 PM
Pretty sad situation, From the looks of it there are to many high up there people that want it to happen and looks like its going to. Years from now they will realize what a horrible decision it was.

alton woods
08-23-2010, 07:04 AM
lol.... don't be such a defeatist...this is far from being over....and any connection to the so called top is and has been investigated. Tom Corbet is not a big fan of Rendell or the Casino. Keep in mind there are 4 private companies trying to get one licence. Out of the four, only one has this much controversy.

Take the time to sign the petition, better yet come and testify....if that's not enough talk to state congressional/senatorial leader...you can do this on a federal level....I was doing that this weekend....TELL PEOPLE and direct them to the site....http://nocasinogettysburg.org

if you want a banner up on the site let me know....I run it....just don't give up.....;)

CUPP
08-24-2010, 04:04 PM
lol.... don't be such a defeatist...this is far from being over....and any connection to the so called top is and has been investigated. Tom Corbet is not a big fan of Rendell or the Casino. Keep in mind there are 4 private companies trying to get one licence. Out of the four, only one has this much controversy.

Take the time to sign the petition, better yet come and testify....if that's not enough talk to state congressional/senatorial leader...you can do this on a federal level....I was doing that this weekend....TELL PEOPLE and direct them to the site....http://nocasinogettysburg.org

if you want a banner up on the site let me know....I run it....just don't give up.....;)


Yeah should have never jumped to that conclusion so quick saying that it was a lost cause, I have already signed the petition months ago.

But before I joined the Military several years ago my family used to make a yearly trip to gettysburg and even my 60 year old mother said its a shame that they are trying to build a casino so close to such a historic place.

alton woods
08-25-2010, 09:23 AM
I didn't know that's why I added the lol....btw you dont' have to be Adams county resident to testify....there is still time to sign up....

http://speakforthefallen.com

takes you right to the PGBC website to register....sorry if so abrupt.....really bizzy with this.....hope to cya there

GrumpyDave
09-18-2010, 06:47 AM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 17, 2010

For more information, contact:
Jim Campi, CWPT, (202) 367-1861 x7205
Mary Koik, CWPT, (202) 367-1861 x7231

CIVIL WAR PRESERVATION TRUST PRAISES GOV. RENDELL'S CONDEMNATION
OF CASINO PROPOSAL

Pennsylvania Governor joins tens of thousands of Americans opposed to
the idea of a casino on the doorstep of hallowed ground

(Gettysburg, Pa.) - The Civil War Preservation Trust (CWPT) joined the
National Trust for Historic Preservation, National Parks Conservation
Association and Preservation Pennsylvania today in writing to
Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, praising him for his recent comments
against the highly controversial Gettysburg casino proposal. In a
televised interview with the Pennsylvania Cable Network on September
16, 2010, Rendell told a concerned citizen that in regard to the
casino, "Well, I'm still opposed to it . . . I just think it's
the wrong place for a casino."

Coalition Letter to Gov. Rendell
http://members.civilwar.org/site/R?i=WduqB4BA2H68I6t5H2r6ug..

Watch Gov. Rendell's Remarks
http://members.civilwar.org/site/R?i=pAXk2k2OFHw8eL1-g5ZoRg..

Help Stop the Gettysburg Casino
http://members.civilwar.org/site/R?i=PG0w3noS2rS5phqaq0-69w..

View Our Gettysburg Legacy video
http://members.civilwar.org/site/R?i=kgHcGSD3TrAse-uNyaPWKw..

Civil War Preservation Trust President James Lighthizer issued the
following statement in support of Governor Rendell's opposition:

"On behalf of the Civil War Preservation Trust and its members,
I want to applaud Governor Rendell for taking a stance and opposing
this controversial project. Tens of thousands of Americans from across
the country agree - Gettysburg is no place for a casino. Saying
no to a Gettysburg casino is a legacy Governor Rendell can be proud of
and I am certain the Gaming Board will value his opinion on the
matter."

Governor Rendell's condemnation of this controversial proposal
echoes his comments from 2005, during the last controversy over a
Gettysburg casino, when he told reporters that "I wouldn't
want a casino two blocks from the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia and if
it were my decision, I wouldn't want it anywhere close to the
historic area of Gettysburg." Then as now, the Civil War
Preservation Trust applauded the Governor's leadership and
concern for preserving the sanctity of Gettysburg.

The Civil War Preservation Trust continues to encourage concerned
citizens to submit written comments to the Pennsylvania Gaming Control
Board on the issue by visiting: www.speakforthefallen.com or
www.civilwar.org/nocasino
http://members.civilwar.org/site/R?i=Iot-ywMEN3u4nx1c3D6kqQ..
http://members.civilwar.org/site/R?i=0MTnISKc420kTSEYs_5ZFg..

With 55,000 members, the Civil War Preservation Trust is the largest
nonprofit battlefield preservation organization in the United
States. Its mission is to preserve our nation's remaining
Civil War battlefields and encourage their appreciation through
education and heritage tourism. Since 1987, the organization has
saved more than 29,000 acres nationwide, including 700 acres at
Gettysburg.

clyons
09-18-2010, 07:03 AM
I read orshould I say saw in the video section of the miday update of the Gettysburg times newspaper that the Govenor does not believe that Gettysburg is the place for a casino. He's not a local so his opion proably will not count either though.

Chuck Lyons
10th IL Infantry

billwatson2
09-18-2010, 09:59 AM
He does, however, have a lot to say about who gets appointed to the casino control board that will say yea or nay to this. That's a state board,this is a state issue, and Gettysburg has both a state and national historic constituency. All the claptrap you hear about "this is a decision for local people" is the wishful thinking of the pro-casino people attempting to deliberately limit the scope of the debate. The simple truth is, they can't limit it. The minds that came up with a railed trolley tour through the valley between Little Round Top and Devil's Den, the minds that came up with approval for a Jetson's space observation tower at the edge of the battlefield, would not have been allowed to do those crass things, either, had a national constituency been able to chime in when they were proposed. Some locals certainly know best what's best for their pockets; locals can't be trusted to know best for a national shrine.

clyons
09-18-2010, 02:11 PM
Well said Bill. Well said.

Radar
10-07-2010, 02:36 PM
but I don't think it's any of our collective business about the casino. How would YOU like it if the world came to your snall town America and told you whta/what not to build? Wouldn't like it would you. Let's all mind our own business and quit being like the federal government and trying to run everybody else's business.:D

flattop32355
10-07-2010, 10:13 PM
but I don't think it's any of our collective business about the casino. How would YOU like it if the world came to your snall town America and told you whta/what not to build? Wouldn't like it would you. Let's all mind our own business and quit being like the federal government and trying to run everybody else's business.:D

Ah, but Gettysburg is not just any small town.

What if the French decided that the beaches of Normandy were better used as a resort? Would we stand for that? After all, it's their beaches.

What if the state of Hawaii decided that Pearl Harbor would make an ideal residential area for that crowded area? Or a build a casino along Battleship Row?

There are other examples, but you get the point.

Whiile I won't necessarily go towards the "desecration" argument, I would agree that putting a casino near to the battlefield is poor judgement and extremely unfortunate thinking. It's not like other, more distant, or even remote, locations wouldn't do.

How would the casino like it if we ran a reenactment through their building, with battles, camps and campfires, horses, portajohns, etc? Methinks they might be a bit distressed at the thought of it.

Ross L. Lamoreaux
10-07-2010, 10:32 PM
Oh but the nation does have a say in this matter. No matter who says its a local issue only, they would be wrong, physically and spiritually. The citizens of Gettysburg have made money off of the nation since July 4, 1863. Without the battlefield, fought over by men of the entire nation, not just local militia, , it might just be a local issue, but a national shrine paid for in the blood of men and boys from all around the nation deserves to have a national say. This isn't about people from other places telling them what to do, it is about people from other places having a vested interest in having them do whats right.

HandSpike
10-08-2010, 09:15 AM
Bernard ... Ross ... You both stated the very things I was thinking. The local say issue just doesn't wash with a topic of this magnitude. Hopefully those on the gaming board will take into consideration the cost paid for this ground in blood and sacrifice.

TB1861
10-19-2010, 10:46 PM
It is sad but time marches on and there is nothing we can do to stop that. If somebody owns the land and wants to build a legal enterprise on that ground then they won that right with the blood of American soldiers.
There are restaurants, motels, gas stations and everything else on the very large area that is the battleground at Gettysburg, you can only stop new ones by owning the land yourself.
Too bad that more land wasn't purchased back when it was cheap.

lincolnsguard
01-11-2011, 03:03 PM
There was a date given for the PA Gambling Boards decision on the new casino location. I think it is Thursday the 13th? It had been announced a couple of times here in Cent:confusedral Pa but, with the recent unpleasantness in Arizona, it has sort of gone away.

Anyone got the date?:confused:

Marc
01-11-2011, 05:36 PM
It has been postponed before the shootings..here is the link to the story

http://nocasinogettysburg.ning.com/notes/casino_vote_postponed_again