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TheSignalCorpsGuy
03-22-2010, 01:04 PM
Just wanted to post some images I took of the statue after it was unveiled this past saturday during the reenactment weekend.


http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs486.ash1/26580_1278073504862_1020727204_30648831_5594358_n. jpg


http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs486.ash1/26580_1278073584864_1020727204_30648833_4274614_n. jpg



http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs506.snc3/26580_1278073624865_1020727204_30648834_5225847_n. jpg


http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs486.snc3/26580_1278073664866_1020727204_30648835_3531158_n. jpg

3rd_PA_Artillery
03-22-2010, 03:13 PM
Not too bad looking. Its a rather nice depiction of the general.

sbl
03-22-2010, 03:15 PM
Here's links to the sculptor..

http://www.tigerstimestudios.com/zoestore/regutti/regutti.html

http://www.freedommemorials.org/regutti.html

sbl
03-22-2010, 03:18 PM
Not too bad looking. Its a rather nice depiction of the general.

I respectfully disagree. It looks like Capt. Morgan .....pointing. Too many newer monuments look like bronzed store mannequins.

Look at this one in Dalton, Ga. of the General......

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Joseph_E_Johnston_monument_in_Dalton_GA.jpg

lincolnsguard
03-22-2010, 03:40 PM
Another second place trophy...

Just kidding. Not bad. How many folks showed up for the dedication? Was it anywhere close to the 10,000 rounds fired?

3rd_PA_Artillery
03-22-2010, 04:52 PM
I respectfully disagree. It looks like Capt. Morgan .....pointing. Too many newer monuments look like bronzed store mannequins.


Point taken, he does look like Capt. Morgan.

agrnbrt
03-22-2010, 05:23 PM
I hate to say it but...we were there this weekend and it does not do the General justice. Nice event and ceremony though. Not to mention beautiful weather.

GaWildcat
03-22-2010, 07:34 PM
Heaven's that is almost as bad as the Forrest Statue on I-65 in Nashville.....

3rd_PA_Artillery
03-22-2010, 09:17 PM
Heaven's that is almost as bad as the Forrest Statue on I-65 in Nashville.....

No, no, no, nothing comes close to being THAT bad...

sbl
03-23-2010, 08:07 AM
It's too bad that the sculptor who seems to be talented as far as animal studies goes chose to pose Johnston like a 1/6 scale action figure. There are modern statues such as the Iwo Jima Monument that are realistic but it's based on the iconic photo of real human beings in action. The Korean War Memorial is realistic and has the advantage of being striking to look at from all angles. The two Vietnam statues near the Vietnam Memorial, not so much.

Sounds snobby but you can have good art that is patriotic and inspirational. This Johnston statue reminds me of the Stanley Watts's Lincoln statue that the flap in Gettysburg was about.

plankmaker
03-24-2010, 02:12 PM
Scott,

Nothing, nothing I say, comes even close to the "sculpture" previously mentioned that is present in Nashville.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3583/3346886861_9528b20a88.jpg

Mark Campbell
Piney Flats, TN

Logibear64
03-24-2010, 02:35 PM
Scott,

Nothing, nothing I say, comes even close to the "sculpture" previously mentioned that is present in Nashville.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3583/3346886861_9528b20a88.jpg

Mark Campbell
Piney Flats, TN


Please tell me that is a joke picture and not a real statue! LOL

3rd_PA_Artillery
03-24-2010, 03:15 PM
Please tell me that is a joke picture and not a real statue! LOL

Sorry, man, that abomination's the real deal. :roll:

TheSignalCorpsGuy
03-24-2010, 07:38 PM
.............The memorial is to honor the General - let's HONOR him and not criticize for pete's sake!


(that's what I think - but that's just me)

hendrickms24
03-24-2010, 08:31 PM
This statue looks a hundred times better then the Stonewall 'Arnold Schwarzenegger' Jackson one at the Bull Run BattleField!

sbl
03-25-2010, 06:47 AM
"Who was Joseph Pollia Alex?"

Pollia did the Jackson statue in the late 30s. It was dedicated in 1940. Much of his work on WW I and CW/WBTS statues was in the 20s. It's Jackson's horse that's the scariest part.

http://photohome.com/pictures/virginia-pictures/manassas/gen-stonewall-jackson-1a.jpg

Pvt Schnapps
03-25-2010, 07:08 AM
Scott, you're right about the Johnston statue at Bentonville -- looking at the pictures, the first question that came to mind was where the rest of the set was.

The Dalton one is much, much better.

And the Jackson statue at Manassas always makes me think of Mussolini.

No one's "honored" by a caricature. Sometimes it's not the thought that counts, but the execution.

sbl
03-25-2010, 07:53 AM
I didn't want to say Mussolini but it did have that "fascist" look that some sculpture had back then in Germany and the USSR. Instead of engaging you it oppresses you. You could replace Isildur and Anarion with two of those Jacksons at the The Gates of Argonath.

Just because a statue is patriotic or religious it doesn't have to be an eyesore or kitsch.

plankmaker
03-25-2010, 08:52 AM
Speaking of monuments, I really like the D Day Memorial in Bedford County, VA. However, if you have never been there, you might want to visit real soon. It is on the very, very endangered list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcJleR1r-3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2H_Ge_CCKE

The latest news on it:

http://www.dday.org/public/useruploads/file/Early%20Spring%202010%20D-Day%20News.pdf

Mark Campbell
Piney Flats, TN

sbl
03-25-2010, 11:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcJleR1r-3s


@#%!*!! I hate that song.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2H_Ge_CCKE


The fountain! NEAT!

Silas
03-25-2010, 02:52 PM
Ah, yes. Uncle Joe pointing the way to the rear. Classic. Backwards seemed to be the only direction he knew.

sbl
03-25-2010, 03:54 PM
I like this sculptor's work.

http://www.frankgaylordsculpture.com/

billwatson2
03-25-2010, 04:25 PM
Sorry, but if the plaque on the statue didn't say "Joe Johnston," I'd never have guessed. The one in Dalton, yes, looks just like him.

Some might remember that objections were raised in 1995 by local folks when there was a suggestion for a monument to Union troops. Are there any yet? I haven't been back for awhile. Prior to that I believe there were only monuments to Confederates.

The Stonewall statue is hilarious in a way, the man was a hypochondriac with size 12 boots. A tremendous military leader, beyond doubt, but not particularly physically impressive.

reb64
03-25-2010, 09:09 PM
Ah, yes. Uncle Joe pointing the way to the rear. Classic. Backwards seemed to be the only direction he knew.



Nice place to take some shots at the great man, here on the staues forum.
He may not have been a offensive genius but he is the only one who was able to wound his opponents more seriously than they him, and i believe if more had faith in him the CSA wouldnt have bled as much as the enemy and perhaps would have lost to attrition or supply lines lost..

reb64
03-25-2010, 09:11 PM
[QUOTE=sbl;148968]I respectfully disagree. It looks like Capt. Morgan .....pointing. Too many newer monuments look like bronzed store mannequins.

the pose maybe, the serious stare is all Joe.

sbl
03-25-2010, 10:42 PM
I think Johnston deserves a better rendition in bronze AND the same respect that should also be shown to loyal Americans in the Army of the United States.

huntdaw
03-25-2010, 11:51 PM
the serious stare is all Joe.

How do you know that? Ever see him in person?

sbl
03-26-2010, 11:52 AM
"SCV Camps that donate $750.00 or more will recieve [sic] a General Joseph E. Johnston
"Bas-Relief""

http://www.generaljosephejohnston.com/pages/donate.html


http://www.generaljosephejohnston.com/images/joseph_johnston.jpg

Silas
03-26-2010, 12:39 PM
Nice place to take some shots at the great man, here on the staues forum.
He may not have been a offensive genius but he is the only one who was able to wound his opponents more seriously than they him, and i believe if more had faith in him the CSA wouldnt have bled as much as the enemy and perhaps would have lost to attrition or supply lines lost..

The more I read about him, the more he deserves a goofy statute. My focus the past couple years has been on Vicksburg. Blame my dislike of Johnston on Ed Bearss. Reading and re-reading his books commenced my sour on Johnston. Other books about the entire campaign haven't helped. Nothing yet has sweetened the sour.

5 th Alabama Infantry
03-27-2010, 10:24 AM
Just wanted to post some images I took of the statue after it was unveiled this past saturday during the reenactment weekend.


http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs486.ash1/26580_1278073504862_1020727204_30648831_5594358_n. jpg


http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs486.ash1/26580_1278073584864_1020727204_30648833_4274614_n. jpg



http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs506.snc3/26580_1278073624865_1020727204_30648834_5225847_n. jpg







http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs486.snc3/26580_1278073664866_1020727204_30648835_3531158_n. jpg

I like it a lot . Thank you for sharing the photographs.

sbl
03-27-2010, 10:34 AM
No Black Velvet?

http://www.voccoquan.com/images/elvis%20jesus%20robert_e_lee.jpg

reb64
04-04-2010, 11:18 PM
How do you know that? Ever see him in person?

from his photos of course, see the paired tin types on the cover of "worthy opponents" sherman and jonston by Longacre

sbl
04-05-2010, 09:04 AM
Sherman looks tougher.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5192CMPA6EL._SL500_.jpg

Silas
04-08-2010, 01:08 AM
http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss322/Frito1998/cornpone-2579.gif
General Jubilation T. Cornpone!

Any there any Johnston songs which compare to this humdinger about a true patriot?


When we fought the Yankees and annihilation was near,
Who was there to lead the charge that took us safe to the rear?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Toot your own horn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, a man who knew no fear!

When we almost had 'em but the issue still was in doubt,
Who suggested the retreat that turned it into a rout?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Tattered and torn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he kept us hidin' out!

With our ammunition gone and faced with utter defeat,
Who was it that burned the crops and left us nothing to eat?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "September Morn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, the pants blown off his seat!

HURRAY!

When it seemed like our brave boys would keep on fighting for months,
Who took pity on them and ca-pit-u-lated at once?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone; Unshaven and shorn - pone.
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he weren't nobody's dunce!

Who went re-con-noiter-ing to flank the enemy's rear,
Circled through the piney woods, and disappeared for a year?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Treat 'em with scorn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, the missing mountaineer!

Who became so famous with a reputation so great,
That he ran for president and didn't carry a state?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Wouldn't be sworn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he made the country wait!

Stonewall Jackson got his name by standing firm in the fray.
Who was known to all his men as good ol' "Paper Mache?"
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he really saved the day!

History says that General Grant was pretty good with a jug,
Who went drink for drink with him and wound up under the rug?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Passed out until morn - pone.
Jubilation T. Cornpone, his whiskers in his mug!

Hearing that a Northern spy had come to town for the night,
Who gained entrance to her room and lost the glorious fight?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Weary and worn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he fought all through the night!

There at Appomatox Lee and Grant were present, of course.
As Lee swept a tear away, who swept the back of his horse?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Jubilation T. Cornpone, a picture of remorse!

REPRISE ( FINALE ):

Though he's gone to his reward, his mighty torch is still lit.
First in war. First in peace. First to holler, "I quit!"
Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he really saved the day!

reb64
04-08-2010, 10:02 PM
Sherman looks tougher.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5192CMPA6EL._SL500_.jpg

thanks for the insertion, and look at those scowls. Its a great read.

reddcorp
04-14-2010, 01:30 PM
Saw the statue while at Bentonville and was much disappointed. It just doesn't really look like Johnston at all.
But nothing, repeat, nothing, is as bad as the N.B.Forrest thing in Nashville.

A. Redd

Spinster
04-14-2010, 02:18 PM
You know Andy, first time I saw that thing in Nashville, I nearly wrecked the van.

I've seen people pay money for a lot of strange things but......

At least the one down at Selma is a good likeness

lincolnsguard
04-14-2010, 03:22 PM
You know, if that statue was gray,(and plastic), I'd swear it was from a MARX play soldier set. Like the Mini-Longstreet statue, only no wet mouldy cigars.;)