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VaTrooper
09-19-2006, 01:09 PM
Yep. Never thought Id be saying that. But here I am. I remember the Graceful Lady (Anna Allen?) being an approved vendor but I know there has to be others. And ladies my knowledge of womens clothing is limited to lots of buttons and lots more layers. So all your comments will be printed and passed on for further review. Thank in advance.

bizzilizzit
09-19-2006, 01:18 PM
Try this website for some direction to several very good vendors:
http://www.agsas.org/vendors/
Elizabeth Topping

frankstevanus
09-19-2006, 01:20 PM
Aw-oh! Wildman. You're not thinking about cross dressing are you? Uh-huh!
William, I think we need to have a little talk with your folks!!
But, I guess as long as it is an authentic dress why not?

VaTrooper
09-19-2006, 01:21 PM
Thank you!

VaTrooper
09-19-2006, 01:24 PM
Ha Ha Frank! Na its just another step in the whole growing up thing.

RebeccaMI
09-19-2006, 01:57 PM
If you know someone who sews, Simplicity has patterns for dresses and I believe McCall's does too. There's some discussion as to how correct the Simplicity dresses are, because apparently they changed some of the things from the original work that the Fashion Historian did. I'm waiting on a pattern book from some ladies whose work is very authentic. If you're interested in patterns I can let you know when the book comes out.

VaTrooper
09-19-2006, 02:10 PM
I'll pass that along too, thanks.

cookiemom
09-19-2006, 02:14 PM
If you know someone who sews, Simplicity has patterns for dresses and I believe McCall's does too. There's some discussion as to how correct the Simplicity dresses are, because apparently they changed some of the things from the original work that the Fashion Historian did. I'm waiting on a pattern book from some ladies whose work is very authentic. If you're interested in patterns I can let you know when the book comes out.
Greetings, William!

Elizabeth Clark has written some very excellent books, if sewing (rather than purchasing finished) is an option. "The Dressmaker's Guide to Fit and Fashion" and "Skirting the Issue: A Workbook for Skirts & Petticoats" are very helpful and informative, regarding both dresses and undergarments. See www.elizabethstewartclark.com.

cookiemom
09-19-2006, 02:24 PM
Aw-oh! Wildman. You're not thinking about cross dressing are you? Uh-huh!
William, I think we need to have a little talk with your folks!!
But, I guess as long as it is an authentic dress why not?
Maybe a visit to the Whine Cellar is in order...? ;)

Ma

VaTrooper
09-19-2006, 02:55 PM
Thanks Carole.

Joanna
09-19-2006, 06:23 PM
Unless Mc Calls has changed very recently, run don't walk away from them. :rolleyes: Simplicity's Fashion Historian/Martha McCain patterns are good, although not the very most authentic, but easily available. Before you go get them, though, read Liz Clark's article "Simplicity Pattern Review 2006" http://tinyurl.com/zt2v7 I think Simplicity's are actually _more_ difficult to sew than Past Patterns http://www.pastpatterns.com/ , which I love and are very authentic. Regards, Joanna Jones

VaTrooper
09-19-2006, 07:00 PM
Thanks for the tips but Im fairly sure she'd want ready made garments.

Joanna
09-19-2006, 10:42 PM
Oops - you didn't say patterns, did you. Here are 3 more besides Anna Allen (I have not used them but they are recommended by others)
http://www.robinstokes.com/
http://www.originals-by-kay.com/
http://www.hanktrent.com/
Happy hunting. Joanna Jones

VaTrooper
09-19-2006, 10:51 PM
Thank you.

Spinster
09-19-2006, 11:52 PM
Dear William,

During the period, as a man old enough to go off to war, you'd likely have some knowledge of the various layers a woman would have on beneath that lovely dress.

Today, as a modern reenactor, you may not realize that period women's clothing was very much a 'system'---and in looking at such a clothing system, certain things must be purchased/made in a particular order-so that other items will fit properly.

First, chemise and drawers
Stockings, shoes
Then, a corset (yep, gotta have it, and its a custom measurement)
Petticoats, cage crinoline
Dress
Hair net and bonnet

You don't say what your mission is here--but don't order a dress for a young lady without first having all the underpinnings in place.

VaTrooper
09-20-2006, 12:03 AM
Mrs. Lawson,
She is currently in the hobby and has several dresses and the other items but Id like to get some ideas as far as authentic makers go. My mission would be to get her into some higher quality clothing that way we (and I need to get a few things as well) could hit an authentic civilian event so she has more to do than sit around a mainstream camp while I go play.

cookiemom
09-20-2006, 11:36 AM
... She is currently in the hobby and has several dresses and the other items but Id like to get some ideas as far as authentic makers go... that way we (and I need to get a few things as well) could hit an authentic civilian event so she has more to do than sit around... while I go play.
Chivalry is not dead! How thoughtful of you!

Ma

VaTrooper
09-20-2006, 11:50 AM
I do what I can. :cool:

Spinster
09-20-2006, 12:38 PM
William,

If y'all are going to Perryville, find the Civilian Living History Area--near the Park Museum. Ask for the Tavern. Find it, ask for me.

Make sure she knows how to find her way around the place, especially as regards to where y'all are camped. You go on off to war. Leave her to play with us.

Its surprising how much good gear changes hands at reasonable prices at these big events.

VaTrooper
09-20-2006, 01:08 PM
There was a mis understanding about Perryville. She registered. I didnt. But shes still going and I asked and she said she would find her way to the tavern to meet you.

ElizabethClark
09-20-2006, 05:48 PM
Another option for custom work:

http://www.themantuamaker.net Vivian Murphy does lovely stuff, as do the other seamtresses and seamster mentioned above.

Oh--we're swapping out servers for our site starting tonight, so if anyone has trouble accessing the Simplicity pattern review article, etc... email me or private message me and I'll get you set up with it. Should be done moving servers on all the parts of the site mid-week next.

Cannot ditto enough Mrs. Lawson's recommendation to have all the foundation layers in first--I don't know that any of the dressmakers mentioned will bother working on an un-stayed figure. And definitely send your young lady over to Mrs. L. She'll get her converted to a history-heavy mindset, and then Watch Out. :)

She may have some existing things that just need a little re-working to bring the accuracy up a notch or three, too.

And yes, run away from McCalls, or any of the other "Big 4" patterns that are *NOT* Martha McCain's Fashion Historian set. The Martha McCain Fashion Historian patterns work as a great base, with some tweaking. The others are definitely in the Halloween Costume realm, and don't work for living history.

catspjamas
09-20-2006, 08:17 PM
I would like to recommed Originals by Beth. She was at the last event I attended and she had very reasonable prices. Her website is www.originalsbybeth.com She does have some ready to wear items, but most of her stuff is custom-made. She's making me a corset for $80, which is very reasonable. I'm going to have her make me a ballgown.

Cats

MrsArmstrong
09-21-2006, 09:10 AM
could hit an authentic civilian event so she has more to do than sit around a mainstream camp while I go play.

Learn a new skill would be one step, so she would have something to do. As a woman there are some specific period skills she would have known about. Not everyone was expert in all skills or liked doing them but they would have knowlege of them. Some involve a home setting put others can be brought with you to events to keep you occupied and to share with other interested parties.

There are also niche groups available to guide, help, answer questions, compare results ect.

If she is interested in any of these she is wecome join a group.

Civil War Needleworkers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cwneedleworkers/

19th Century Domestic Arts and Trades
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DomesticArts/?yguid=207127675

19th Century Foodways
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/19centfood/?yguid=207127675

Hope this helps.