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alton woods
12-15-2009, 12:20 PM
unfortunately we lost our first battle last night .... hope we are successful today....I have convince Steve Santarsiero to submit an amendment to put a buffer around the edge the GBurg property line....as you all know....it is a National Military Park...we could really use the phone calls today....from this point it will be chance and not a very good one to stop the Casino....

last night email on FB....the amendment has changed...just say Casino Free Buffer Zone...

VOTE FOR a Casino Free Buffer Zone around the Gettysburg National
Military Park
Rep Steve Santarsiero (D, Bucks County) Amendment #A05118 .

Long version......

Please tell your Representative to
VOTE FOR a Casino Free Buffer Zone around the Gettysburg National
Military Park
Rep Steve Santarsiero (D, Bucks County) Amendment #A05118 will be
introduced during today or tomorrow’s debate on Senate Bill 711 in
the PA House of Representatives.

A Gettysburg area casino offends our heritage tourists. In one 2005
survey of 300 heritage tourists, 96% said they do not like the idea of
a casino in Gettysburg, and 53% said they would not return if one were
built. Since Gettysburg is the anchor attraction of Pa’s heritage
tourism, when you protect Gettysburg you also protect PA’s heritage
tourism industry.
PROTECT Gettysburg!

Excerpt: Amendment #A05118
“Amend Bill, page 110, by inserting between lines 17 and 18
(b) Location.--
(1) No Category 3 license shall be located by the board
within 15 linear miles of another licensed facility or within
15 linear miles of Gettysburg National Military Park.”


to contact your state Rep or any Rep.....

http://www.house.state.pa.us/

Or No Casino Gettysburg

http://nocasinogettysburg.ning.com/

"Doc" Nelson
12-15-2009, 07:50 PM
I am moving this to the "Battlefield Preservation" conference/section, since this is regarding preservation of Gettysburg.

DeputyClerk, forgive me if I've stepped on your toes, since this is your "beat" . . LOL :rolleyes: .

DeputyClerk
12-15-2009, 07:57 PM
DeputyClerk, forgive me if I've stepped on your toes, since this is your "beat" . . LOL :rolleyes: .

I love "beats"....:rolleyes:
On another note: Not a problem Doc. It's a good move.

billwatson2
12-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Just as an insight here, folks, stopping it this time will be tough. State legislators passed a budget that is known to be $400 million short in revenue. They are desperate to make it up, and are legalizing full games of chance at existing slots casinos, plus getting huge fees from licensing new sites, as much as $50 million just in fees before the casino even gets a permit. The stakes are nothing more or less than the re-election chances of most of the legislature, because if they have to raise the sales tax or do something else to make up that $400 million shortfall, they know they'll be voted out no matter how fast they tap dance.

Even with all that, they expect to shut down many of the state's historic sites to reduce costs.

This is one of the most messed up states, from government point of view, I've ever seen.

MDRebCAv
12-16-2009, 09:06 AM
[QUOTE=This is one of the most messed up states, from government point of view, I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]

Have you checked out my home state of Maryland lately? I am just glad that I moved outside of the City of Baltimore! Love the town, Love the State--hate the politics!

sbl
12-16-2009, 09:23 AM
Maybe I won't have to go on a cruise to gamble...

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/sbl1952/2008Cruise/reenactor.jpg


(Lost a little weight since 2008.)

lincolnsguard
12-16-2009, 12:11 PM
Just as an insight here, folks, stopping it this time will be tough. State legislators passed a budget that is known to be $400 million short in revenue. They are desperate to make it up, and are legalizing full games of chance at existing slots casinos, plus getting huge fees from licensing new sites, as much as $50 million just in fees before the casino even gets a permit. The stakes are nothing more or less than the re-election chances of most of the legislature, because if they have to raise the sales tax or do something else to make up that $400 million shortfall, they know they'll be voted out no matter how fast they tap dance.

Even with all that, they expect to shut down many of the state's historic sites to reduce costs.

This is one of the most messed up states, from government point of view, I've ever seen.

"Grumpy" posted that exact thing several weeks ago, pretty much. I fear this is going to happen. Notice you don't see the Gettysburg Foundation or the NPS saying ANYTHING at all. PA, the Gettysburg Foundation and the NPS all need the revenue this will generate.

And Bill, look what Rendell did to Philadelphia before he left. All his pals got rich and the city got all fouled up. Same old same old. Our state government has in IQ in the negatives. Not quite as bad as Jersey but getting closer.

And notice, this isn't in ANY of the major news media.

:(

Marc
12-16-2009, 12:27 PM
Even with all that, they expect to shut down many of the state's historic sites to reduce costs.

This is one of the most messed up states, from government point of view, I've ever seen.

This is the same state that has all the new Marcellus Shale Gas Exploration and Production and are not taxing the gas companies at the well head like most states do to help raise revenue. Somewhere someone is in the pocket of the gas exploration companies.

GrumpyDave
12-16-2009, 04:39 PM
I only caught part of the story during the last news break, on my radio here at work but, RUMOR has it this bill has passed the PA House and is on its way to the Senate.:(

Anyone else have something more substantial?:(

billwatson2
12-16-2009, 07:54 PM
I've lived in New Jersey. Pennsylvania is worse.

1. Once in a while they actually put corrupt politicians in jail. That just doesn't seem to happen here.

2. When caught, corrupt politicians in New Jersey have the grace to look ashamed. In Pennsylvania they are merely indignant.

lincolnsguard
12-17-2009, 02:37 PM
If I'm reading this correctly, today's local paper. (Pennonline) the PA Senate has passed it's own version ofthe bill yesterday, the 16th, a bill which the house had earlier passed. Now the bill goes back to the house for another vote. And, our Govenour is behind this thing kicking it in the a$$ trying to get the bill through, because of the (his) $400 million budget shortfall. Both bills allow for a new location, where slots and gaming tables will be legal. The initial liscense cost will be $150 million bucks. The parlors who now have slots are automatically eligable for the new liscence for gaming tables, all they have to do is pony up. The only "new" location being considered is....guess where?:rolleyes:

I see bus loads of folks coming from Virginia and Maryland, buying packages from the Gettysburg Foundation where they get the movie and the Visitors Center and a trip 'round the battlefield on the way to or from the casino. Gettysburg Foundation gets to pay their bills and the NPS gets more money because visitation is up. Who gives a gosh darn about "these honored dead?" They don't have any money.:(

GrumpyDave
12-18-2009, 04:06 PM
On the front page of the Harrisburg Patriot News, our Govenour says if the Casino legislation isn't passed by January 8th, he'll lay off 1000 PA State workers. PAonline.com or pennlive.com

Marc
12-18-2009, 04:22 PM
You have not seen anything yet....just wait until the state has to make up the funding in the public retirement plans ie state workers teacher etc. Not just from the past market decline, but the plans are underfunded and the only way to make up the difference will be higher taxes from all sectors.

Regular DOC
12-22-2009, 12:11 PM
unfortunately we lost our first battle last night .... hope we are successful today....I have convince Steve Santarsiero to submit an amendment to put a buffer around the edge the GBurg property line....as you all know....it is a National Military Park...we could really use the phone calls today....from this point it will be chance and not a very good one to stop the Casino....

last night email on FB....the amendment has changed...just say Casino Free Buffer Zone...

VOTE FOR a Casino Free Buffer Zone around the Gettysburg National
Military Park
Rep Steve Santarsiero (D, Bucks County) Amendment #A05118 .

Long version......

Please tell your Representative to
VOTE FOR a Casino Free Buffer Zone around the Gettysburg National
Military Park
Rep Steve Santarsiero (D, Bucks County) Amendment #A05118 will be
introduced during today or tomorrow’s debate on Senate Bill 711 in
the PA House of Representatives.

A Gettysburg area casino offends our heritage tourists. In one 2005
survey of 300 heritage tourists, 96% said they do not like the idea of
a casino in Gettysburg, and 53% said they would not return if one were
built. Since Gettysburg is the anchor attraction of Pa’s heritage
tourism, when you protect Gettysburg you also protect PA’s heritage
tourism industry.
PROTECT Gettysburg!

Excerpt: Amendment #A05118
“Amend Bill, page 110, by inserting between lines 17 and 18
(b) Location.--
(1) No Category 3 license shall be located by the board
within 15 linear miles of another licensed facility or within
15 linear miles of Gettysburg National Military Park.”


to contact your state Rep or any Rep.....

http://www.house.state.pa.us/

Or No Casino Gettysburg

http://nocasinogettysburg.ning.com/

Can't they move this thing 10-15 miles up 15. They get the revenue people who visit Gettysburg are close enough to go to the Casino but it is far enough away from the National Park to not be an intrusion.

lincolnsguard
12-23-2009, 12:01 PM
The PA goverour has mandatd the Casino bill be passed by January 8th or he's gonna' lay off 1000 state workers. Your buffer bill won't be out of committee by that time. This is going to pass. It will be a miracle if it doesn't. As I've seen before, dead men don't pay taxes. There's more folks in PA right now that need the money than care about history.:(

alton woods
12-30-2009, 08:40 AM
Real quick-holiday’s and personal stuff has eaten up my time

I spoke to Alloway’s office yesterday(12-28-09). Trying to get the yeah’s and nay’s for the buffer vote that he submitted in the Senate. It was shot down, at least we have politicians (Harrisburg) talking about it.

I came up with the idea about the buffer while helping Susan Paddock. My representative Santarsiero was going to submit while the bill was in the House, it was too late. The Bill is back in the house…I will push for an amendment again.

BTW…if anyone has a good foot in Senator Jim Webb….could you get back to me…thanks and have a happy new year…

GrumpyDave
01-07-2010, 06:21 AM
The PA House and Senate passed the new gaming bill. By 7pm the Gettysburg group was pleeding their case for a liscense.

Gettysburg casino applicant ready to fight for state's one remaining casino license
By CHARLES THOMPSON, The Patriot-News
January 06, 2010, 7:19PM
With the legislature's approval of a 90-day window for new, Category III casino applicants, Gettysburg businessman David LeVan was quick to ante up.

LeVan issued a statement moments after today's House vote confirming his readiness to enter what should be a spirited fight for the state's one remaining Category III casino license.

As many as four other resort properties around the state also are expected to vie for the Category III license, often referred to as resort casinos. Intended as new entertainment options for customers of pre-existing hotels or attractions, the smaller facilities are limited under the new law to 600 slot machines and 50 table games.

LeVan's plan calls for development of a casino at the Eisenhower Hotel & Conference Center in Cumberland Township, about five miles south of Gettysburg’s square.

Gambling foes who don’t see casino gambling as a good fit for the community’s history-oriented tourist trade and who helped to defeat LeVan’s 2005-06 plan to build a larger, free-standing casino just east of the town have vowed to battle this project, too, calling it too close to key parts of Gettysburg National Military Park.

But LeVan’s statement indicated he is ready to argue its merits for the region and the state.

"This is good news for Adams County, where unemployment has topped 8 percent and jobs are badly needed," LeVan said.

"Our location in southern Adams County also will help the state tap into a new area, the Baltimore/Washington metropolitan market, which will generate millions of dollars in additional property tax relief for Pennsylvania citizens."

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/01/gettysburg_casino_applicant_im.html




Like I said before, dead men don't count; they don't have any money.

alton woods
01-07-2010, 12:12 PM
sorry I didn't get back....we have been very very busy.....unfortunately the bills did pass...and yes he is going to apply....Susan Paddock wants you to know we are going to start go to into full gear soon....and we are working on another website to organize...in the mean time....you can either to Facebook page....or the Ning website...

http://nocasinogettysburg.ning.com/

I am work can't get Facebook link but will later tonight....

please get out the word...that we will need volunteers and support...thanks all and I will post some more info tonight

Alton

GrumpyDave
01-08-2010, 06:21 AM
Looks like you're going to be fighting most of the business owners in Adams county too. (according to this am's news) "Decision to be made within 90 days on the new casino location."

Regular DOC
01-08-2010, 12:15 PM
Looks like you're going to be fighting most of the business owners in Adams county too. (according to this am's news) "Decision to be made within 90 days on the new casino location."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_top_stories/20100107_Rendell_to_sign_table-games_bill.html

With that deal I see this coming to pass. Come on guys let's come up with all the themes for the Slot machines. :rolleyes:

alton woods
01-14-2010, 03:47 PM
Mason Dixon Casino website went up today.....he hasn't even applied yet

http://masondixongaming.com/


if you want to call and complain be my guest

http://masondixongaming.com/contact.html


please visit our site and help us stop this.....it will be 1/2 mile from the edge of the Park...

http://nocasinogettysburg.ning.com/

DIXIEBELL
01-17-2010, 07:35 PM
How can we preserve gettysburg when selfish, narrow minded folks with money want to trash it? No self respecting historian wants that trash in gbg. Take it some where else

lincolnsguard
01-18-2010, 03:18 PM
Rule number one: get the land first. Mr Levan doesn't have a location any more. I here he's got a small legal issue regaurding his contract with the resort. Like, the feller who signed the contract on the resort side didn't have the authority to sign it. So his bosses are suing him and on and on..... It's all over the papers 'round hea. And, he hasn't even submitted an application for the liscense yet. Calm down, get the facts.:rolleyes:

Marc
01-18-2010, 04:13 PM
Rule number one: get the land first. Mr Levan doesn't have a location any more. I here he's got a small legal issue regaurding his contract with the resort. Like, the feller who signed the contract on the resort side didn't have the authority to sign it. So his bosses are suing him and on and on..... It's all over the papers 'round hea. And, he hasn't even submitted an application for the liscense yet. Calm down, get the facts.:rolleyes:

Eli,

The facts about the problem LeVan is having securing the site have just come to light recently.

http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2010/01/11/news/local/doc4b4b1592c6ccc214127301.txt

GrumpyDave
01-19-2010, 06:22 AM
There is one thing to keep in mind. The Mason/Dixon line is the only border in PA where ther is not a casino to pull revenue from other states. I really think, there will be a casino somewhere on that border, where PA can pull gambling tax revenue money from Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia. I think the state can find a place away from Gettysburg where there would be an end to those means. Like, right where I-81 crosses the line.:rolleyes:

alton woods
01-19-2010, 12:19 PM
Ok,

Our website is up and running. Just to let you know we are going to keep the Ning site. We want as much web presence as possible. This will be a quick hard fight. April 7 is the deadline for casino applications

First order of business: There is private meeting on the 26th. We need this poll to be loaded. It takes two seconds to do….please spread to as many people as you can. Unit leaders…please bring it up in your next meeting….

Whether your Against, For or Don’t care please vote in the poll…and yes it’s set so you can vote only once…

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/gettysburg-visitors-poll

Second order of business: Units, Reenactments, Sutlers, Organizations, and individual with websites….we have created a swap link.

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/about/link-swap


For right now, we have one banner. There are more styles to come. We would like for you to use the code provided and pull image from our site…This reason will be explain to link swap webmasters…..

Thanks and have a great day…. :-)

lincolnsguard
01-20-2010, 10:53 AM
:confused::confused:Dear Alton,

You haven't been paying much attention to what's going on in Gettysburg; or the information that's been looked up and posted here; have you?

So, since Levan doesn't have any land/location to put on his liscense application, which per legislation, has to be at at resort, and since less than 5% of any reenactors ever read any website; who are your efforts trying to stop?

Inquiring minds want to know?:shock:

alton woods
01-25-2010, 01:22 PM
SORRY...that is really old news....Levan is marching on ... sadly there was a poll taken last week....favoring the Casino....this is why we need your help....we have alot of work to do....please visit and take the poll....

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/gettysburg-visitors-poll

the comments should be up shortly...small glitch has to be resolved....

we need your help...

btw I need contact for as many Units located in Pa....we are going to need you...probably physically...thanks gang...

lincolnsguard
01-26-2010, 08:58 AM
Our unit is having a meeting next week, we are seriously considering supporting a Casino in our area. The economy is depressed, so much so, almost every resident and business of the county and the bordering counties are behind the Casino. And, the NPS is in such dire need of money, they can't afford to fix the leaks in the new visitors center roof, which, currently is un-doing the $16 million dollars worth of restoration that the Federal Government spent on restoring the painting. The folks who run the new center are poo-pooing the damage as too high humidity but, if you talk to any Park Ranger or NPS employee off the record or outside the center; they'll tell you the new building leaks like a $5 row boat. Maybe it's time for folks to think about the economic boost a business of this type would do to help the park and the county. It would appear, in the real world, there's waaaay much more support for a Casino, this time around there are folks against it, at the state, county and local levels. Should we be more realistic and less idealistic?

Galvanized
01-26-2010, 09:16 AM
Will the Black Jack dealers be in frock coats and the cocktail waitresses be in Cavalry boots, minnie skirts and shell jackets? How about a 12lb'er going off when someone hits the jackpot at the $50 slots?

hiplainsyank
01-26-2010, 12:52 PM
Ah, yes, a bunch of $12 an hour jobs are a GREAT way to make the local economy strong. Most people working at a casino don't make that much more than people in other areas of the service sector. And when hard times come to the casinos, as they have been the past couple years, they get laid off like others do.

Additionally, most of the people spending money there will be from about a 50 mile radius. Meaning less money to other business in that 50 mile radius.

Also proven are bankruptcies, foreclosures and abuse of various sorts go up in the area after a casino moves in.

These are proven facts. The casino may be a done deal now because everyone thinks that it's an economic savior (that's a sad thing to contemplate that so many part of our country think that gambling is a way to economic success), but the reality is that they mostly just don't do too much.

And they take a lot.

Regular DOC
01-26-2010, 01:37 PM
Will the Black Jack dealers be in frock coats and the cocktail waitresses be in Cavalry boots, minnie skirts and shell jackets? How about a 12lb'er going off when someone hits the jackpot at the $50 slots?

I like it plus will we have Lee themed slots.:p Seriously though how much trouble would it be to move the stupid thing 10-15 miles up the road. Close enough to gain NPS visitors but far enough away that it isn't an Eyesore

Regular DOC
01-26-2010, 01:45 PM
Ah, yes, a bunch of $12 an hour jobs are a GREAT way to make the local economy strong. Most people working at a casino don't make that much more than people in other areas of the service sector. And when hard times come to the casinos, as they have been the past couple years, they get laid off like others do.

Additionally, most of the people spending money there will be from about a 50 mile radius. Meaning less money to other business in that 50 mile radius.

Also proven are bankruptcies, foreclosures and abuse of various sorts go up in the area after a casino moves in.

These are proven facts. The casino may be a done deal now because everyone thinks that it's an economic savior (that's a sad thing to contemplate that so many part of our country think that gambling is a way to economic success), but the reality is that they mostly just don't do too much.

And they take a lot.


Now I don't support the stupid thing but I have to disagree with you on this point. As my dad said a job is a job. With the exception of bringing in a major high tech or manufacturing firm(which is not a suggestion) into the area the only new jobs in the gettysburg area are service sector jobs and 12 bucks an hour is nothing to scof at in this economy. And many Indian Tribes would disagree that they don't bring economic help.

Again I don't want the thing built. For a variety of reasons.

alton woods
01-26-2010, 03:18 PM
I was warned about this last night...fresh off the press....we will be giving out petitions tonight....

http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_14265199

Just remember....if we don't shout...they can't hear us....

vote in the poll....sign up and help us....

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/gettysburg-visitors-poll

Ross L. Lamoreaux
01-26-2010, 03:29 PM
I was warned about this last night...fresh off the press....we will be giving out petitions tonight....

http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_14265199

Just remember....if we don't shout...they can't hear us....

vote in the poll....sign up and help us....

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/gettysburg-visitors-poll

Yep, "Buy Adams!" is a great slogan. It looks like they've already bought some people...

lincolnsguard
01-27-2010, 06:32 AM
Frankly, I don't think anyone who doesn't pay taxes in Adams county has any right to vote on anything that happens in Adams County; period. And, remember, polls and their questions are easily manipulated to get the results YOU desire. Any competent person knows that.

alton woods
01-27-2010, 08:20 AM
if I am not mistaken....Gettysburg is a "National" Military Park...one of nine....so I have every right to complain, being that I pay taxes....plus I kinda of have pride in my country....after participating this it saddens me that there are great many of people who don't

We will be distributing petitions, later this week or weekend...

Marc
01-27-2010, 08:25 AM
Since it is also in Pennsylvania and I am a resident I can also complain about a casino in Adams County or anywhere in Pennsylvania.

alton woods
01-27-2010, 11:17 AM
I am in Pa too...btw Senator Casey came out yesterday against the Casino...Susan posted on Facebook account....trying to find published quote

lincolnsguard
01-27-2010, 01:45 PM
Doesn't the liscensing application period close on the 31st? And, has ANYONE applied? I don't know and can't find it anywhere. That would make the whole argument moot. Now if we could just get this many people behind getting rid of all the motorcycles (noisy loud uncaring--not all motorcyclists fit) and folks who think they can park where ever they please.....


youse guys rile easliy.....:D

alton woods
01-28-2010, 12:01 PM
April 7 is the deadline....3 others are going to apply...

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/4-including-nemacolin-likely-to-seek-resort-license

lincolnsguard
01-28-2010, 02:24 PM
Thank-you. I think PA's going to end up with a casino somewhere on the Mason Dixon. I just doesn't need to be near Gettysburg. I'd think somewhere along where I-81 crosses into West Virginia would be a much better choice.

alton woods
01-28-2010, 03:48 PM
visual for you

GrumpyDave
01-29-2010, 10:58 AM
Our local news stations here, I personally saw the same story(basically), on Fox and ABC, this morning. These folks are reporting that preservation groups are trying to stop the casino because it would insult the honor of those who faught at Gettysburg. Even though the President, during his "State of the Union" address, "just days ago" repeated many times just how bad umemployment is, these preservation groups are "against trying to help folks in a depressed area get jobs and these preservationists are against opening a new business that would create at least 300 new jobs." (Paraphrasing of course)

I hope Casey doesn't put his tail between his legs and back down on this because of the unemployment issue.:shock:

alton woods
01-29-2010, 12:29 PM
not buying that argument for a second...with that kind a thinking....why don't we legalize heroine, prostitution, or child slavery....those are all billion dollars businesses too. Besides if LeVan really wanted to help those less fortunate...he would build a Cat I Casino, Resort and Horse track near Littlestown, Pa....they have plenty of space...it wouldn't affect Gettysburg, money would go to Adams county and it would closer to Baltimore...I have personal spoken to several federal/state legislators and know one can understand why he has chosen this location

lincolnsguard
01-29-2010, 02:04 PM
I saw that news report. There was no mention on who was putting up the Casino. Everything the news reader said bashed us folks who oppose the thing. The whole story was written to sound like the folks who opposed the casino opposed creating jobs. It was harsh.:( "They" keep playing the particularly bad bits over and over on the radio station I have on in my office, 97.3 The River. Next thing you know we'll be hating on the unfortunate, opposing bussing/flying in earthquake survivors to run the place.

alton woods
01-29-2010, 02:25 PM
97.3 The River- do they have a link to this ...or is it podcasted....

Can't seem to find it

dculgan
01-29-2010, 02:49 PM
Since I'm such a cheapskate I find institutionalized gambling to be completely foreign to my way of thinking and so its natural that I would oppose it no matter where. On the other hand I can understand the arguement the pro-casino faction has around creating jobs, crappy jobs that they are. I sure would like to have seen this same passion back when Pennsylvania was exporting good manufacturing jobs overseas.

It is appropriate for reenactors to be activists for battlefield preservation but I wish workers, including myself, had been more active in trying to preserve the good jobs that paid a living wage before it was too late.
Dave

alton woods
01-29-2010, 02:52 PM
Just a reminder for those who have voted...don't care what you pick...it's important that you vote....still trying to keep major spammers out of comments section if you want to leave please feel free to do so

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/gettysburg-visitors-poll

sharps54
01-30-2010, 04:52 AM
I just got this off an email discussion group I belong to, I thought that everyone would like to know what the casino thinks about us.

> From: Pro Casino Adams County <pcac.2006@yahoo.com>
> Subject: PCAC Press Release: Preservation Groups... See More
> To: "AC PC" <pcac.2006@yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 7:28 AM
>
> Pro Casino Adams County Statement: For Immediate Release
>
> We are extremely offended by the decisions of the Civil War Preservation Trust(CWPT), National Trust for Historic Preservation, Preservation Pennsylvania & the National Parks Conservation Association to not remain neutral in regards to the application of Mason Dixon Resort & Casino in the Adams County/Gettysburg Area. These Washington D.C. and Harrisburg, Pennsylvania based lobbyist groups are only interested in one thing and that is to use this casino "debate" to raise money for their own greed. Not one of these groups has helped to create or save one job since 2006 in this county, but yet raised a lot of money by using the Gettysburg National Military Park (GNMP) as a "prostitute" to fill their coffers full of donations during the last casino project. These full donations, "to save Gettysburg'", have yet to be delivered here.
>
> From their own press release they obviously do not understand the economic impact this project will contribute to this area:
> "the letter outlined additional concerns with the project, including potential impact on the region’s vibrant heritage tourism industry. Citing current visitation statistics and scientific economic impact analysis, the groups concluded that “the combination of Civil War preservation and the family friendly nature of Adams County has created a proven, winning formula for the park and its neighboring communities. A casino will conflict with this proven economic engine—heritage tourism, and development compatible with and respectful of that heritage.”"
>
> The county has experienced a 35% decrease in visitation since 2002 and we are now at nearly 9% unemployment which equates to nearly 10.000 residents. So just how successful has this "proven, winning formula" been? Maybe they should have asked some of the local residents that would like to have a chance at a job at the casino.
>
> Not one of these groups bothered to contact our organization to request information or obtain the local "pulse" of area residents. Had they done so or even bothered to interview those unemployed residents, maybe they could have a clearer picture of what "we the residents" think and desire.
>
> Their missions are to educate and preserve historical locations from development, yet they side with No Casino Gettysburg (NCG), who's own leader freely admits that she and her husband are sub-dividing their farm land for residential development which is in the "view shed" from Confederate Ave and on the boundary of the battlefield. The groups have stated that this sub-division is not an issue to them, yet a proposed casino is?
>
> PCAC has been contacted by several former CWPT members stating they were lied to, cheated out of their donation and taken advantage of during the 2006 casino campaign. Once these members found out the true facts of that project, they quickly became ex-members of the CWPT. Pennsylvania Preservation did not even bother to get involved with the application of the Valley Forge Casino, a casino that is now located approximately 3,000 feet from the Valley Forge National Historical Site. They could not provide even one quality reason why that site is less important than the GNMP.
>
> Like NCG, these four lobbyist groups have just proven how hypocritical they really can be. We are warning "All Americans" to avoid these lobbyist groups new scams for cash and media attention.
>
> CPT Jeff Klein & Tommy Gilbert
> PCAC Spokesmen

hiplainsyank
01-30-2010, 10:58 AM
9% unemployment? That's better than the national average!

Marc
01-30-2010, 12:04 PM
One interesting fact I would like to know since employment etc is being discussed in Adams County..how many residents in Adams County comute to Harrisburg, Chambersburg, Frederick Md and even DC and other nearby large employment zones?

See Adams County Profile here..

http://www.acedc.org/AC%20Profile-web%20format%208.5x11.pdf

I was surprised by the amount of manufacturing jobs in Adams County and most of PA has the same unemployment or higher rate at the present time.

Just food for further discussion.

lincolnsguard
02-02-2010, 12:12 PM
I was just wondering. Isn't what the Gettysburg Foundation is doing to the memory of the honored dead in Gettysburg RIGHT NOW about the same thing a Casino might do?


just wondering...:confused:

Marc
02-02-2010, 12:58 PM
I was just wondering. Isn't what the Gettysburg Foundation is doing to the memory of the honored dead in Gettysburg RIGHT NOW about the same thing a Casino might do?


just wondering...:confused:

Do Not Even Get Me Started On The Gettysburg Foundation

alton woods
02-02-2010, 02:21 PM
Our unit is having a meeting next week, we are seriously considering supporting a Casino in our area.


Your number one with ProCasino people right now...are you aware of this?......:rolleyes:

reb64
02-06-2010, 07:12 AM
look, if you live in PA then its your business to deal with. if people want want to spend their money on stupidity then its their business, their there ones with a vote. if they dont want it they can rally and cancel it. casinos exist in alot of historic lands blue and red. don'tlike it, vote no or dont go to them. i'm opposed but pa voted for the current amin in dc and they get what they deserve. no transperecy

sbl
02-06-2010, 11:06 AM
. i'm opposed but pa voted for the current amin in dc and they get what they deserve. no transperecy

Considering that it's a state issue, predating even 2006, ...that has no bearing.

billwatson2
02-06-2010, 11:49 AM
So, when does CWPT file its slander suit against PCAC? Claiming CWPT took money under false pretenses seems actionable unless they can prove it. Who talked the pawns into thinking they could get away with this?

Let me guess: They are a couple of guys who aren't worth the expense of suing, because they haven't got two dimes to rub together.

GrumpyDave
02-07-2010, 08:16 AM
Your number one with ProCasino people right now...are you aware of this?......:rolleyes:

Dude, check your spelling. And, if you'd have read everything from start to finish, you'd know; most all of those posts, looked to me like they were tongue in cheek.

BTW, does anyone know or, has anyone asked, which side of the fence "The Gettysburg Foundation" is sitting on. I know thery're such a wreck they couldn't do anything about it if they wanted too anyway.

lincolnsguard
02-08-2010, 11:42 AM
The Getytysburg Foundation is too busy stepping on their own tails to do any good for even themselves. Their newley hired director, quit because the BOD wouldn't let him run the foundation like a business, and cut off their dead wood workforce, among other things.

Levan is only starting with his dirty tricks to get what he wants. The thing I honestly see is the total lack of information in our local papers as to what the CWPT or any other organization is doing to keep the thing away. The general public has a very short memory, and politicians will do whatever they have to do to keep their jobs. It wouldn't hurt for any or all of us to shoot the CWPT a short e-mail asking them what's going on.

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alton woods
02-08-2010, 03:14 PM
I am at work right now...will have more details tonight....Susan, Jim and I have been organizing things we will keep you posted.....we have two web sites

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/

http://nocasinogettysburg.ning.com/

in addition there's stuff on Facebook, you will find links above....

I hoping to release final Petitions tonight....Susan is looking over them....you guys will be the first to know.....

Banner Swaps.....I need them....if you have reenactment, a unit, a round table or your sutler...please swap with us.....

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/about/link-swap

Will give you update and I am praying to be snowed in so I can catch up...

I will ask about the Foundation....thanks

GrumpyDave
02-09-2010, 06:54 AM
It's funny how things happen. I was reading the latest posts about the Casino when I got home from work last evening. Oops! Forgot to get the mail. Guess what was in the box? Big ole' envelope from the CWPT with casino information inside. So, they're getting a couple of bucks back on my way to work this morning. If everyone pitches in, even just a little, it helps a whole bunch.

Marc
02-09-2010, 09:59 AM
Dave,

Yesterday I received one also, but did not open yet....

alton woods
02-14-2010, 11:20 PM
Petitions....got them up and running.....down load sign em and get em....

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/petitions


there are group petitions that you can take to events have everybody sign off...

thanks....hope everyone had a good Valentine's Day.....:grin:

reb64
02-15-2010, 08:57 PM
Petitions....got them up and running.....down load sign em and get em....

http://nocasinogettysburg.org/petitions


there are group petitions that you can take to events have everybody sign off...

thanks....hope everyone had a good Valentine's Day.....:grin:



anyone who gambles should disqualify themselves from commiting hypocisy of course.

alton woods
02-22-2010, 09:21 PM
not necessarily....we have alot members on Facebook who gamble....yet they feel that is the wrong place to put up a Casino....there are alots of us are not anti Casino....this is just a bad location for it....if your anti-Casino there members who belong to other groups...