150th Cycle Event Plans Underway

[turfwriter]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT: Laurel Scott 150thcycle@gmail.com


WINCHESTER, Va. – Twenty-nine interested parties gathered Aug. 23 for a second discussion on the proposed 150th Cycle of Civil War events.

The meeting was a follow-up to a March 21 conference coordinated by S. Chris Anders of the Chesapeake Volunteer Guard and attended by hobby leaders representing over 1,700 troops from New England to Ohio to North Carolina. "Each meeting sees the group growing as more organizations step up to the plate and take ownership of their hobby,” Anders said. “The group is quite diverse, but dedicated to make the 150th Cycle the best yet. I look forward to great things."

Topics broached at the August meeting included the updating/revision of the Common Sense Resolution, existing events on the Civil War sesquicentennial schedule, and proposed events for the five-year 150th Cycle being undertaken by this group.

Among the latter were Anders’ own “Return to Manassas” event in August, 2010, as well as tentative plans to revisit “Shenandoah ’62,” stage a civilian militia muster to start the 150th Cycle and then the Battle of Ball’s Bluff in 2011, a larger-scale McDowell, the Battle of Antietam/South Mountain in 2012, the Battles of Chancellorsville and Mine Run in 2013, an Overland Campaign event on original ground, the Battles of Third Winchester and Monocacy in 2014 and the Battle of Sayler’s (Sailor’s) Creek in 2015. As plans move forward this list may expand.

Also addressed were the need to compile a manual of event mechanics, the division of responsibilities among the various groups involved in the cycle, and the land available for reenactments.

In the end, it was agreed that a website should be created for the sharing of event information among the group members as they work to solidify the events in the 150th Cycle.

The next 150th Cycle Meeting is scheduled for Nov. 21 (Remembrance Day) in Gettysburg, PA. If you would like to attend this meeting, or need more information, please e-mail Laurel Scott at 150thcycle@gmail.com.

[FloridaConfederate]

Not a single EBUFU or history heavy event in your plans or on your list ?

I for one will not attend any of these events and encourage all those who attend EBUFU to join in the boycott.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[dculgan]

Ha! I almost spit my morning coffee out laughing at your boycott joke.

[billtyrell]

Not a single EBUFU or history heavy event in your plans or on your list ?

I for one will not attend any of these events and encourage all those who attend EBUFU to join in the boycott.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

What boycotting already without any details of the events planned. This is not the AC board.

[FloridaConfederate]

What boycotting already without any details of the events planned. This is not the AC board.

Enough details that there are no EBUFU events on yer list, champ....not the A/C but the same list chocker full of streamer events was posted on the A/C without a single EBUFU listed.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[paul hadley]

"What boycotting already without any details of the events planned. This is not the AC board."

Gosh, a double-slam in the same post! Although IMHO "boycotting" may be too strong a word, I will continue to pick and choose which events most hold my interest and try to attend as many as possible given time and budget constraints.

But isn't that what we ALL try to do anyway?

If the meetings to sort through the 150th possibilities help shed some light on what opportunities are out there, I'm all for it. If I'm better able to zero in on an event outside my backyard that I otherwise wouldn't know about, I'm all for it. If ensuing discussions about such events reveal ones that aren't as promising just from my perspective -- not judging what others prefer -- I'm all for a 150th "list" whether inclusive, exclusive or whatever.

Let's try to keep the lines of communication open. There's something out there for each and all of us.

Paul Hadley
Now, all of us of a certain age can join hands and start singing "If I Had a Hammer." With gusto.

[Pvt Schnapps]

Not a single EBUFU or history heavy event in your plans or on your list ?

I for one will not attend any of these events and encourage all those who attend EBUFU to join in the boycott.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

Thanks Chris! Maybe you can also boycott any discussion of them.

By the way, what EBUFU events did you support last year or any previous year?

And what angel descended from the heavens to anoint you as the new champion of "EBUFU"?

I sense a desire on your part to channel the late Mr. Heath, but lacking his wit, knowledge, and attendance record, you'll find it pretty tough to get taken seriously.

[FloridaConfederate]

Thanks Chris!

By the way, what EBUFU events did you support last year or any previous year?

Just the previous year ?

1) Westville Nov 2008
2) AG / WIG Ft McAllister CS Dec 2008
3) Olustee SCAR - Campaigner March - I went home when we got back to the mainstream battle Feb 2009
4) Had supporting / kabuki role for Ft.Moultire June 2009 (detached retina three days before couldnt go)
5) AG/SCAR Atlanta LH July 2009
6) Westville Work Weekend End of this Month - Early Banjo Impression
7) Bummers Nov 2009 (asked by event coords to do Dble Top Secret Civilian Role)
8) Ft McAllister 2009 AG/WIG Federal LH

I have done no other events but these save for going as a civ and playing banjer at the streamsuckfests here

Shall I list my 2010 invites /schedule and 2009/2008 invites which I sefl-policed on EBUFU as out of my lane ?

And you supported which ones excatly, by the way ?



And what angel descended from the heavens to anoint you as the new champion of "EBUFU"?

Nobody...I can champion the community and events I care about....just like you championed your 150th list and decided to leave EBUFU events completely out..... why do you care and get so worked up about me? Thats funny Mike.

I sense a desire on your part to channel the late Mr. Heath, but lacking his wit, knowledge, and attendance record, you'll find it pretty tough to get taken seriously.

Thats is because you view the world through very narrow and misplaced elitest lenses...but you take me serious enough to rush into to refute and post down anything I post everytime..tell me where does that stem from ? I think it stems from the same way you nipped along the heels for acceptence of Heef and that you can only draw parallels from that submissive position ? Heef knew and commented you were a pard shafting quitter and not a suck it up. Perhaps that is why you dont want EBUFU events on your list ?



Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Anders]

Seems Chris Rideout has an axe to grind with someone over something.

Fact is, the events discussed were the ones that folks came to discuss. If folks wanted to talk up more immersion events, then they can always show up and do so.

In fact some folks did. Folks came and talked about those, as well as other folks came and talked about the mega events that are coming down the pike. Folks talked together, with each other.

Something I think keyboard guerillas should take notice of.

The 150th is a great chance to work all together, no all events are for everyone, but by working together we can build an inclusive schedule that will allow folks the chance to go consume many types of events.

Creating internet angst is indicative of those who fear such occuring. If someone really has questions or solutions or even events they want to promote- then show up and do it. Or at least send an email about it. Not lurk in the cyber bushes to bushwack.

Keep in mind this is a press release and not the notes of the meeting, a lot more was discussed than listed above.

I know I want to hear more from our Western Pards as to what the West is looking at for the Cycle, and work as well with the immersion events. That is my main task over the next couple of months.

I also am very interested in the events surrounding the 150th in Charleston. Plan to go to least one of the events if not both.

The key is to set a schedule and stick to it. One that allows a buffet of events so folks can find the experience they wish.

I also find myself confused as to what EBUFU means to you. There are events listed above that are all sleep on the ground, linear events with high authenticity requirements. There are also static events that allow garrison camping.


Variety is the spice of life, and the spark that will keep folks in the hobby and excited.

Pards,

[Pvt Schnapps]

Your list confirms what I thought, Mr. Rideout. All your passion is that of the recent convert; a handful of local living histories and now you're God's gift to "campaigners." You haven't the faintest idea what the events on the 150th Cycle list will entail, and you don't know anything about the organizations involved. All you can do is parrott empty criticisms from offline conversations and spout nonsense from the void of your own experience.

You're like your avatar, Chris. It would be laughable if it wasn't sick.

[Scooby_308]

Why not add some Western Events for the 150th cycle?
As a Kentucky boy, Mills Spring, Richmond, Perryville….

[Pvt Schnapps]

Why not add some Western Events for the 150th cycle?
As a Kentucky boy, Mills Spring, Richmond, Perryville….

There will be more in the minutes, I think. One of the ideas for the "militia muster" was to have not one event, but several smaller coordinated events around the country to focus on the local experience of sending companies off to the war. There was also some talk about how to participate in more western events, although the center of gravity of the units represented tended to be in the mid-Atlantic.

Anyway, as Chris Anders says, the discussions continue.

[FloridaConfederate]

Seems Chris Rideout has an axe to grind with someone over something.

I dont really have an axe to grind attitude Chris, you can believe that or not or write it off as you please but I dont. It is a simple retort that you have planned 150th Cycle with not a single EBUFU event. That is fine. But to come on the AC and post how great it is when you dont even include the events there is quite disingenuous.

Fact is, the events discussed were the ones that folks came to discuss. If folks wanted to talk up more immersion events, then they can always show up and do so.

Right on I agree...so keep it here and dont expect those committed to the EBUFU events to be involved.

In fact some folks did. Folks came and talked about those, as well as other folks came and talked about the mega events that are coming down the pike. Folks talked together, with each other.

But still no event on the list.

Something I think keyboard guerillas should take notice of.

The 150th is a great chance to work all together, no all events are for everyone, but by working together we can build an inclusive schedule that will allow folks the chance to go consume many types of events.

Chris, man to man, your actions dont support your words..if this was so you would have targeted EBUFU events on your list not just mainstream events....see how reciprocity works ? One promoted EBUFU and this discussion wouldn’t be happening.

Creating internet angst is indicative of those who fear such occuring. If someone really has questions or solutions or even events they want to promote- then show up and do it. Or at least send an email about it. Not lurk in the cyber bushes to bushwack.

No internet agnst here.....EBUFU is doing fine and I hope your 150th Cycle does well, really I do. I am just not going to sit idle and listen to talk of inclusion and one hobby on the AC yet the schedule is already stacked and released without a simple nod to single EBUFU which is fine.

Keep in mind this is a press release and not the notes of the meeting, a lot more was discussed than listed above.

I also am very interested in the events surrounding the 150th in Charleston. Plan to go to least one of the events if not both. The key is to set a schedule and stick to it. One that allows a buffet of events so folks can find the experience they wish.

You’re a leader Chris why not put those events on your list and promote them and clear all this up in a few keystrokes?

I also find myself confused as to what EBUFU means to you. There are events listed above that are all sleep on the ground, linear events with high authenticity requirements. There are also static events that allow garrison camping.

It is very concise and clear. EBUFU events are events identified, vetted and approved by the AC board comprised of event planners and EBUFU leaders. EBUFU is sort of the accrediting org / seal for many in the hobby. EBUFU is not the end all be all for everyone. You and Mike can start your own paradigm and completely cut the X%ers which attend EBUFU events out of the picture. I am even certain with enough alerts and flooding of the AC w/ schedules that don’t include our events, adjuncts bumped every two seconds and discussion like we had last night, you will soon get folks like me removed from that community and then the AC will be your new paradigm.

Variety is the spice of life, and the spark that will keep folks in the hobby and excited.

Variety ? I have ridden mounted artillery full gallop up Horseshoe Ridge @ Chickamauga, slept in the bombproof at Ft McAllister, brought an 1860's town to life and stood picket in the rain in the middle of the FLA night where my ancestors once did....with good health I plan to, evade Federal forces crossing Georgia while mounted, row Charleston Harbor to Sumter and perform a multi-act period correct Minstrel show in fully functional 19th cent tavern. But these events will never make your list..

Pards,

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[FloridaConfederate]

Your list confirms what I thought, Mr. Rideout. All your passion is that of the recent convert; a handful of local living histories and now you're God's gift to "campaigners."

Your discounting of the event list I supported compounded by your inability to produce one event you have done confirms what I thought...all talk... no walk. (or walk until your call your wife to pick you up) Why do you repeatedly assign dominant / submissive postioning and terms to everything ? God's gift, etc. I am a rednecked mouth breather, who is incoherent and moronic remember ? Ignore button ?

You haven't the faintest idea what the events on the 150th Cycle list will entail, and you don't know anything about the organizations involved.

Sure I do, y'all posted it here and on the AC and it doesnt contain any EBUFU events or orgs...that is all faintestness I need. It is self-evident.

All you can do is parrott empty criticisms from offline conversations and spout nonsense from the void of your own experience.

Yep.

You're like your avatar, Chris. It would be laughable if it wasn't sick.

Reeeeeeaching for some insult any barb.....are you playing the race card? With you it is as certain as night following day. Classic.




Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Pvt Schnapps]

Seriously, CR, when you referred to the "campaigner march" at Olustee, was it the one discussed here?

http://battleofolustee.org/forms_docs/florida_expedition.htm

The description makes it sound like all of two miles.

I realize you also slept in a bombproof and played the banjo at some point in the last year, but if that's your standard, where do you get off presenting yourself as a "campaigner"?

And why are you spending so much energy trashing events outside your hemisphere? Like you were ever going to show up in Maryland or the Shenandoah anyway. You're a joke but, like your avatar, it ain't funny, just sad.

[DamYankee25]

Either way at least someone is willing to step up to the plate to make events happen for the 150th. It's a huge cycle for the hobby and for the country. yes, some events will be funnel cakes and balls, but some will not. This is how it's been for decades. I applaud Mr. Anders for his efforts and bringing this out in the open that discussions are being held for the cycle, whether it's EBUFU or "campaigner" events with a mainstream adjunct. I'm anxious to see the minutes once they're posted. There is always the option of not attending events you don't like and attend the ones you do. This isn't directed at anyone, but I think it's great that Mr. Anders is trying to help improve the hobby whether it be one buttonhole at a time or one mainstream unit at a time. To quote Wayne's World "they tell 2 friends, and they tell 2 friends and so on and so on."

And I mean really, who doesn't love funnel cake? ;)

[FloridaConfederate]

Seriously, CR, when you referred to the "campaigner march" at Olustee, was it the one discussed here?

http://battleofolustee.org/forms_docs/florida_expedition.htm

The description makes it sound like all of two miles.

No that wasnt it

I realize you also slept in a bombproof and played the banjo at some point in the last year, but if that's your standard, where do you get off presenting yourself as a "campaigner"?

I never used the term campaigner ? Not in this thread anywhere, in fact you will find threads ripe with my self-policing for lack of being a campaigner, look at my personal messages..were talking EBUFU, civ all kinds of things. Mike I think I am feeling that internets angnst CA was talking about..are you just throwing up anything to see if it will stick to disparage me ?

And why are you spending so much energy trashing events outside your hemisphere?

I trashed no event, your reaching again......I said I am not participating in any of those 150th Events cause you dont pay any service to the EBUFU community events except lip service an attempt to poach from their ranks. I am sure the 150th will go on without me , but with the importance you repeatedly assign to me, who knows ?

Like you were ever going to show up in Maryland or the Shenandoah anyway.

I would show up to hook up with you at events, count on it.

You're a joke but, like your avatar, it ain't funny, just sad.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Pvt Schnapps]

CR, if you don't intend to trash these events, and you're content to boycott them, then the very least you can do is shut up and take your toxic opinions and avatar to another thread.

[FloridaConfederate]

This isn't directed at anyone, but I think it's great that Mr. Anders is trying to help improve the hobby whether it be one buttonhole at a time or one mainstream unit at a time. To quote Wayne's World "they tell 2 friends, and they tell 2 friends and so on and so on."



If you look at the registration lists, well look at the the actual attendance lists cause it is a kewl thing to get your name on the registration lists but a good percentage never show up. It is the same ole group of folks at the events approved by the A/C as EBUFU or even approved adjuncts. The few new faces are typically direct recruits and folks who are exceedingly self-motivated, like Pete Paolillo here. The facts dont support the concept of these events increasing EBUFU participation, if they have it negliglble.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[FloridaConfederate]

CR, if you don't intend to trash these events, and you're content to boycott them, then the very least you can do is shut up and take your toxic opinions and avatar to another thread.

Will you take your toxic non-inclusive list and initiatvies and promote your streamer view of the hobby away from the AC ?

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[johnduffer]

This should be a happy occasion, let's not bicker about who's killed who. :)

[Pvt Schnapps]

If you look at the registration lists, well look at the the actual attendance lists cause it is a kewl thing to get your name on the registration lists but a good percentage never show up. It is the same ole group of folks at the events approved by the A/C as EBUFU or even approved adjuncts. The few new faces are typically direct recruits and folks who are exceedingly self-motivated, like Pete Paolillo here. The facts dont support the concept of these events increasing EBUFU participation, if they have it negliglble.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

Now you've introduced two new topics -- the tendency toward inbreeding in events sponsored by different regional groups, and the lack of actual attendance information, which folks might solve by taking authenticity to the extreme of preparing consolidated morning reports.

But both of those are additional areas in which you have more opinion than experience.

[Pvt Schnapps]

Will you take your toxic non-inclusive list and initiatvies and promote your streamer view of the hobby away from the AC ?

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

This isn't the AC, dumbass.

[Anders]

Brandon,

First of all thanks, and I do like a good funnelcake, though maybe more at the country fair in bermuda shorts..... all that sugar is hard to wipe of your jacket prior to battle... :)

That being said, I am very disturbed at this by our good friend CR-

---It is very concise and clear. EBUFU events are events identified, vetted and approved by the AC board comprised of event planners and EBUFU leaders. ---



So no matter what an event does, what rules it has, or what its intent is, if it does not have the rubber stamping of the "AC board" or "EBUFU leaders" then it doesn't count?

And then there is this gem-

---Sure I do, y'all posted it here and on the AC and it doesnt contain any EBUFU events or orgs...that is all faintestness I need. It is self-evident.----

EBUFU means events by us for us- I was hanging around when the term was adopted. I know what it means. Reenactors putting on events for other reenactors. Humm...seems I have done this before- over 30 times dude!

As to "campaigner" groups, there were quite a few there. Representing hundreds of "cphers"

Maybe not the CRAAHHM- CR Approved Annointed High Holy Messes-sorry.


That is the biggest problem in the hobby today- everyone crapping on each other because they are not in the same clique, and each trying so darn hard to be the kewlest. Like a bunch of geeks trying to nerd up each other.

And I am a history nerd, we all are. And I am hiding from any 12 step program to fix that.

But maybe if folks stopped playing inside of their little box, and realized there are many other folks in many other boxes things might be different.

Not all events are for everyone. Not all events are geared as such. Oh well.

And BTW- Camp Lee is in the notes a lot btw, as well as other more exclusive events.

If you want your events listed, the ones you put on, please do attend the meeting and let us know about them. I for one think that I need to attend a CRAAHHE. Chris Rideout Approved Annointed Blessed High Holy Events.

But back to reality, anyone from any spectrum of the hobby can attend the meeting, as long as they respect that there will be others from the other side of the bell curve there.

I respect those who came and invested in their hobby. I don't respect those who do not.


And if I were an AC mod, I would b$tchslap you right now for smearing the good AC name. You seem to be trying too hard to make your mark, and you are looking downright foolish, and making those who you claim to represent look the same. And that is sad. They deserve better.

Pards,

[Mint Julep]

I know I want to hear more from our Western Pards as to what the West is looking at for the Cycle, and work as well with the immersion events. That is my main task over the next couple of months.


When you sent out notice or invitations to the meeting, who did you contact in the west or trans-miss areas?

Who attended from those areas?

What western events do you have on your radar?

I think the response you've given is pure politics and lip service. Chris, you don't travel far to any event and the only events you seem interested in are those you organize and control or where you have a command position.

[Pvt Schnapps]

I'm sure Chris will answer, but a couple of points spring immediately to mind:

First, he's only been advertising this thing online for the last seven months. What do you want, engraved invitations?

Second, most of the groups come from the mid-Atlantic and will probably only produce big numbers for events in this region. That doesn't take anything away from the trans-Mississippi -- folks there are free to do what they can within their own travel ranges.

Third, the minutes will -- just like the last set -- have a complete list of attendees.

Fourth, I know a lot of people don't like Chris, think he's an egotist, and think he only supports his own events. Others can spend time on a point by point rebuttal, but the main point is, so what? He's provided the energy, vision, and drive for decent events in Maryland, Virginia, and Pennsylvania for the last decade or more.

If it's ego that makes him produce like that, I wish to **** he could bottle it for retail sale.

[muzik212]

This us v them crap is so old. I been doing this for 25 years and some new yahoo comes up every year to be the internet lightening rod. Stop ruining my hobby you tools. This hobby would be great were it not for the undersexed keyboard warriors. But what do I know, Im just a farb who cant get passed the gear. Can we get passed the events and concentrate on our own impressions?? None of us are authentic, nor will we ever be, the last authentic campaigner died some time around 1953. When everyone realizes that outsiders consider us all gun loving dorks, not C/P/H or even reenactors maybe things will improve. Chris gets out there and does things to improve the hobby, not one clique. If things bother you get out and do something. Stop expounding on BS

[cjdaley]

This should be a happy occasion, let's not bicker about who's killed who. :)

Yeah, the Boys of 1861 would be real proud to read this thread. Wonder what they'll say to us when we meet them someday?

I bet if this kinda crap when on with WWII reenactment the vets would show up to the reenactment and kick everyone's asses regardless of if they label themselves 'efubu' or what ever.

[FloridaConfederate]

That being said, I am very disturbed at this by our good friend CR-

---It is very concise and clear. EBUFU events are events identified, vetted and approved by the AC board comprised of event planners and EBUFU leaders. ---

So no matter what an event does, what rules it has, or what its intent is, if it does not have the rubber stamping of the "AC board" or "EBUFU leaders" then it doesn't count?

No Chris from what I know about you I really dont expect these games from you. I said very clearly in this and the other thread. The EBUFU is the accrediting org at the AC. Did you miss the part here where I said again "it is not the be all end all for everyone and anyone can start their own paradigm, But on the AC the EBUFU is the gold standard

And then there is this gem-

---Sure I do, y'all posted it here and on the AC and it doesnt contain any EBUFU events or orgs...that is all faintestness I need. It is self-evident.----

EBUFU means events by us for us- I was hanging around when the term was adopted. I know what it means. Reenactors putting on events for other reenactors. Humm...seems I have done this before- over 30 times dude!

Ok but the EBUFU has develeoped into, despite yours and others here efforts to water it down into one hobby as the body that a good majorty of us place our trust in vetting and developing quality history heavy events. Though ya'll are winning that battle over there and inclusion over committment and hard work will win the day so it seems.

As to "campaigner" groups, there were quite a few there. Representing hundreds of "cphers"

Maybe not the CRAAHHM- CR Approved Annointed High Holy Messes-sorry.

Wow Chris Chris Chris, youve slid into Schnappys submissive term assignment. So you know men in the High Holy Messes dont respond like that, they are firm in extolling their postions without it.


That is the biggest problem in the hobby today- everyone crapping on each other because they are not in the same clique, and each trying so darn hard to be the kewlest.

The folks I know who put on events and attend those events dont approach it from a kewl or clique position at all. You know this Chris. That is sillyness. I thinkthat stems from surrounding yourself with kids or young folks to make such a statement.

But maybe if folks stopped playing inside of their little box, and realized there are many other folks in many other boxes things might be different.Not all events are for everyone. Not all events are geared as such. Oh well.

Yes but you didnt incude any EBUFU in the boxes you have created did you and you came ot clubhouse and rubbed it in our faces. Our box is thriving look at the schecule and approved vetted EBUFUS and adjuncts.

And BTW- Camp Lee is in the notes a lot btw, as well as other more exclusive events.

If you want your events listed, the ones you put on, please do attend the meeting and let us know about them. I for one think that I need to attend a CRAAHHE. Chris Rideout Approved Annointed Blessed High Holy Events.

I would recommend the Westville Workweek End at EOM and Ft Mcallister Federal AG/WIG event in DEC.

But back to reality, anyone from any spectrum of the hobby can attend the meeting, as long as they respect that there will be others from the other side of the bell curve there.

I respect those who came and invested in their hobby. I don't respect those who do not.


And if I were an AC mod, I would b$tchslap you right now for smearing the good AC name. You seem to be trying too hard to make your mark, and you are looking downright foolish, and making those who you claim to represent look the same. And that is sad. They deserve better.

Dont try to climb on the high road bro......you came there and spread your non-inclusive list of sites and one hobby circle jerk with not one iota of concern for the EBUFU schedule...and that is fact you cannot refute. Fortuantely there enough mods there who see it just the same. But like I said your winning hearts and minds the AC will soon be if not already is the new mainstream and the movement will go yet in another underground directin as it is starting to do.

Cheers.

Pards,

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Mint Julep]

I'm sure Chris will answer, but a couple of points spring immediately to mind:

Mike,

I didn't ask you anything. I asked Chris. Please don't auto-respond with guesses.

[DamYankee25]

Yeah, the Boys of 1861 would be real proud to read this thread. Wonder what they'll say to us when we meet them someday?

I bet if this kinda crap when on with WWII reenactment the vets would show up to the reenactment and kick everyone's asses regardless of if they label themselves 'efubu' or what ever.

Amen Chris! Having seen actual vets do similar things at WWII events, I'm sure if the original cast from the CW was around they'd do the same. Nothing beats a vet coming up to a reenactor saying "what the **** are you doing it that way for?"

[Mint Julep]

This us v them crap is so old. I been doing this for 25 years and some new yahoo comes up every year to be the internet lightening rod. Stop ruining my hobby you tools. This hobby would be great were it not for the undersexed keyboard warriors. But what do I know, Im just a farb who cant get passed the gear. Can we get passed the events and concentrate on our own impressions?? None of us are authentic, nor will we ever be, the last authentic campaigner died some time around 1953. When everyone realizes that outsiders consider us all gun loving dorks, not C/P/H or even reenactors maybe things will improve. Chris gets out there and does things to improve the hobby, not one clique. If things bother you get out and do something. Stop expounding on BS


I'm sorry, did you just call me "some new yahoo"?

I just passed 33 years in the hobby.

I've done a few things in that time. Things still bother me. They bother me because we can still improve our impressions and authenticity. Compromising standards does not help, it blurs the distinctions between authentic and farb.

Before you post to me again, I suggest you find out who I am and what I'm about. Start with the CVG guys that were in my company at IPW last March. Don't make assumptions.

And be careful who you call a "tool".

[muzik212]

MJ, if you felt i was speaking to you, maybe the shoe fits. I dont care who you are. My post has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the cliques. Who you are, who I am, who anyone is dosent matter, this history is bigger then all of us. Whatever you have done will be forgotten once your gone. What they did wont be and its supposed to be what we are all here for. Feel free to PM me your bio if you think it will improve the hobby.

[lincolnsguard]

So, why hasn't "Rideout" been banned from this board? Might as well make it a clean sweep.

Maybe we can talk him into changing hobbies.

King of the keyboad campainers, for certain.

Anyone ever seen him at a quality event?

FARB bashing FARBs; nice job Chris!

[plankmaker]

Yep, mission accomplished. Good to see nothing ever changes. Sad but very predictable.

Mark Campbell
Piney Flats, TN

P.S. Didn't we just talk about this same thing 5 years ago with the very same results?

[FloridaConfederate]

MJ, if you felt i was speaking to you, maybe the shoe fits. I dont care who you are. My post has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the cliques. Who you are, who I am, who anyone is dosent matter, this history is bigger then all of us. Whatever you have done will be forgotten once your gone. What they did wont be and its supposed to be what we are all here for. Feel free to PM me your bio if you think it will improve the hobby.


This is a juvenile view of the situation. I can tell you the men I know doing EBUFU events are not cliquish at all, quite the opposite.

It really is not even US vs THEM. This was posted in on the AC as being the mechanism to sort out the 150th cycle, create schedule deconfliction and promotion of events. When in reality it is not inclusive at all and only promotes your events / schedule. Which is 100% "cool" . The EBUFU process is and remains the events I am backing with my time and money. I wish instead of the butthurtedness folks would create their own new thing, ignore me and the minority view and move on. With respect to the "history" and their legacy and all those noble, emotional tags...meh....I dont do it for the history or education or my ancestors...I do it to have fun. I think using those motivations to somehow bolster credibility is comical actually.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[muzik212]

... I think using those motivations to somehow bolster credibility is comical actually.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

We all know what opinions are like...but I find the above comical actually

[FloridaConfederate]

King of the keyboad campainers, for certain.

Anyone ever seen him at a quality event?




I have listed the events I have done in the past year or so 8 directly on the invite of groups like AG/ SCAR / WIG. / TRAMP BRIGADE / VARIOUS CIVILIAn OPPTYs

And you have been to what Eli ? I dont recall seeing you or you name on any attended lists ?

Lets see em ?

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Mint Julep]

MJ, if you felt i was speaking to you, maybe the shoe fits. I dont care who you are. My post has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the cliques. Who you are, who I am, who anyone is dosent matter, this history is bigger then all of us. Whatever you have done will be forgotten once your gone. What they did wont be and its supposed to be what we are all here for. Feel free to PM me your bio if you think it will improve the hobby.


Sean,

Your post is tied as a response to mine. If you did not mean to direct your comments at me, you should have hit the "respond button" on the post you were directing your comments toward.

But since you now say your comments were not directed to anyone or anything, I wonder why you bothered. Was it just to defend Chris? I wasn't aware that he needed assistance.

[Mint Julep]

I've seen him. He's a good guy and his son is a good kid. Don't make assumptions.

[huntdaw]

Anyone ever seen him at a quality event?

Yes, I have.

[akcampaigner]

So, why hasn't "Rideout" been banned from this board? Might as well make it a clean sweep.

Maybe we can talk him into changing hobbies.

King of the keyboad campainers, for certain.

Anyone ever seen him at a quality event?

FARB bashing FARBs; nice job Chris!


I have also seen Mr. Rideout, and he is not a farb.

[Mint Julep]

Chris,

Rethink yourself. The western armies of both sides had respect for each other but felt the eastern armies were given all the breaks and never did any hard marching or fighting. The easterners thought the westerners were all uncultured and as dumb as the livestock they raised.

Some things never change ...

[Pvt Schnapps]

Chris,

Rethink yourself. The western armies of both sides had respect for each other but felt the eastern armies were given all the breaks and never did any hard marching or fighting. The easterners thought the westerners were all uncultured and as dumb as the livestock they raised.

Some things never change ...

Which Chris are you talking to? At this point, I'm just trying to follow the thread. :)

[plankmaker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqsW_noBIjQ

Mark Campbell
Piney Flats, TN

[Anders]

No one is calling anyone a farb... or at least I am not, and I don't think others are as well.

I think that folks get a bit tight in the panties when their "circut" is questioned.

Due to geographical distances and the economy being what it is, getting everyone to the meeting is not possible.

So much like the hobby itself, these meetings tend to be more regional, with a real attempt at keeping the radar on for other regions, and hopefully share mutual support as the troops are willing to do so.

I know I spoke to folks in Clerburne's and the FFD prior to the meeting and they will get the meeting notes for review and comment and inclusion. The FFD had Mike Lavis there to represent them, and the AoO had attendance as well.

Folks came from all over to meet, traveled many hours. They came together to work. Perhaps it was a mistake listing some of the events the majority of folks are working on for the next cycle.

I could have mentioned many other events in the PR, but felt the ones listed would appeal to the majority of folks. Of course the 150th Manassas was mentioned, along with Gettysburg, New Market, Perryville, Land between the Lakes Tactical, Bentonville, Camp Lee and Franklin. Along with numerous other events, heck we have about 30 listed on the schedule now. But I included those I felt, perhaps wrongly or rightly, that would be most attractive to the majority of folks willing to put in an effort.

Been wrong before, but I don't think so this time.

And Sean and others, don't let one person rain on your hobby, it is your hobby, one to be ENJOYED.

And be proud to enjoy it.

Pards,

[FloridaConfederate]

Perhaps it was a mistake listing some of the events the majority of folks are working on for the next cycle.


I dont think it was a mistake at all and I urge you to stay true to what you have going on and dont stray from the goals you set. Though you might not believe me,I wish you success, safety and most importantly lots of fun.

I do wish there was more give than take in this. I think in terms of material culture, authentic goods and overall boiling down of research for consumption by the average CW nactor it all stems completely from the "EBUFU" crowd. I think the events that make it through the accepted vetting panel / process provide intellectual and first person stimulation that perhaps others place less value on and the spirit behind them is not to be cliquish or exclusionary in any way (quite the opposite), but rather it is all about setting high expectations and helping folks step up their game if that is what they choose. I came up in the past few years thru those supportive ranks /cadre and have tried to help others along that path though my utterly repellent personality makes it tough.






Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Mint Julep]

Which Chris are you talking to? At this point, I'm just trying to follow the thread. :)


Daley.

Change your thread view so you can see the little dotted lines between posts. When I am responding directly to someone or to a chain of thought/discussion, I click the respond button on the last post. When I am responding to the original post, I click on the original post, which usually sends my post to the bottom of the list.

[Mint Julep]

I think that folks get a bit tight in the panties when their "circut" is questioned.


So much like the hobby itself, these meetings tend to be more regional, with a real attempt at keeping the radar on for other regions, and hopefully share mutual support as the troops are willing to do so.

I think is a myopic view of the hobby. The Trans-Miss and Northwest guys travel much further than any of us and I know most of us in the western theater travel 8 - 10 hours one way to an event easily and don't think too much of travelling 14 or 15 hours one way. To say that the hobby is regional is to discount the fact that many people are crossing regional boundaries to attend events as a matter of habit. The fact that most of the mid-Atlantic easterners do not is readily apparent to us, too. I understand that you have a lot of events close by, but aren't you curious what other events are like, what other groups are like, what those parks or battlefields look like, etc? Don't you want to see something besides Virginia?

(The last was a rhetorical question.)



... along with Gettysburg, New Market, Perryville, Land between the Lakes Tactical, Bentonville, Camp Lee and Franklin.

Who thinks they are going to pull off Franklin? And where?



But I included those I felt, perhaps wrongly or rightly, that would be most attractive to the majority of folks .

See, I think you listed those events that you are linked to and want to promote instead of the others. And if you want to attract the majority of folks via a press release published on an internet forum, then aren't you saying you think your event has appeal to people outside the region and therefore contradicting your earlier statement?

It is all spin. Spin, spin, spin.

[PetePaolillo]

I have fallen in with Chris Rideout, and He may be harsh to some here that are so easily offended, but, he is knowledgeable. He is not a keyboard campaigner or whatever insults you want to throw at him. I have seen the old fart sleep on the ground LOL:p The guy really loves the CPH side of the hobby as do I. He may be nuts:p ...but aren't we all? Our hobby is crazy to many.....but I digress....Chris R. would give the shirt off his back to you if you needed it. He has passion and it bothers him to see some quality CPH events not listed as potentials for the 150th cycle. It does not matter what I think. I am too new to complain when I have no idea what it takes to organize events. I applaud the people that strive so hard to make events as authentic to history as they possibly can. I strive to make my impression as authentic as well. I hope the planners can come together and have some amazing 150th cycle events that appeal to others as well and not just the mainstream.

[Anders]

To be as frank as I can- the meetings are open to anyone. Each press release has the contact email for information on attending the next meeting.

If someone choses not to attend, and not to promote an event at said meeting, should they be that surprised that it is not listed in the PR of the meeting?

ummm....

[huntdaw]

I think many are missing the point of Mr. Rideout's initial post. He was not necessarily knocking Mr. Anders and what he does. He was taking exception with the fact that Mr. Anders posted his material on the AC forum when there was nothing on the list that was already on the AC forum or being submitted to the AC forum to attract the members of that board. In other words, it was like saying "Here, I want you to come support my event list, but we're not going to consider or talk about yours as being on the list."

My take was that he viewed it as a bit hypocritical such as if someone posted a meeting on this board about events that represented the whole spectrum of the hobby but left out any mention of Mr. Anders' events. Then, clearly, the whole spectrum was not represented in the meeting was it?

At least that was the way I took the initial posting. Mr. Rideout may correct me if I am wrong.

[FloridaConfederate]

MC effectively immediately I am putting you on a hardbread and whisky retainer for representation services.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida
Proud Paypal Purchaser of 300lbs of Double P Sheet Iron Crackers

[Pvt Schnapps]

I think the AC does a pretty good job of policing themselves without passionate vigilantes.

I'll give Mr. Rideout credit for recognizing when he's gone over the top and manning up about it, but it would be easier to sing Kumbaya around the campfire if these little episodes didn't crop up so frequently to begin with.

But let's all get it out of our systems now, because in a couple of weeks Mr. Anders will post the actual minutes, and at that point it would be nice just to talk about the events themselves and not the theological differences between various sects of the state religion that we call reenacting.

And Joe, we all know that you don't like Anders or galtroops. Until you can dig how beautiful it is out here and can say something righteous and hopeful for a change, can you just let it slide? It's done got old, man.

[Mint Julep]

Mike,

The only reason I continue to post is because I believe we can do better. We can always do better. I've seen great strides since 1976 and it will only get better.

But if we do not continually question ourselves and others, we will fall into a miserable squallor of complacency, a mire from which we will never escape and the hobby will stagnate and slowly slide back into the days of converted wool suits and pump shotguns.

[dustyswb]

Chris,

I don't understand why, with the internet, email and other remote communication capabilities, why does one have to be present to submit an event? Maybe some organizations can't make the trip but have events that would add to the list of possible events for ALL to enjoy?

Why not have a form (online would be best) for organizers to fill out, send to you and you can add it to the list. If for no other reason, than to help with deconfliction of larger events. I don't think the living histories with less than 100 are necessary to list, but if someone is putting together an event with a couple of 100 and up, they can put it online for comparison purposes only.

And why hasn't anyone thought of combining the lists into one and make it available???? Seems simple to me.

[tpr1960]

Mr. Anders , Thank you for getting on the ball and helping to get the 150th anniversary events underway . We need more leadership like yours in our hobby . Whether you are main stream , campaign , straight , bi , whatever . This is a hobby , one alot of us enjoy and take seriously . Keep up the good work and looking forward to many good times in the future with my fellow re-enactors . To kick it off with a 150th right in Charleston SC scenario ! Can't wait . Terry Rooney .

[wheres_my_horse]

I think in terms of material culture, authentic goods and overall boiling down of research for consumption by the average CW nactor it all stems completely from the "EBUFU" crowd.

When is the approved reading list going to be presented? I need to make my Christmas list...

[cjdaley]

Nearly every state in has a Sesquicentennial Committee to help with this special anniversary. For some of us, it'll be one of the biggest anniversary's well see regarding the Civil War. States like West Virginia already have 150th events on the calendar for this October at Harper's Ferry and early next year other states will begin. I'll say that this cycle has already begun.

Other upcomming annivesaries like D-Day's 75th and WWI's 100th Annivesary seem to be moving along with less internal fighting. Perhaps the very nature of a "Civil" war or a war of sectionalism lends itself towards more passionate views and agendas.

Please, can we just chill out for 72 hours...collect our thoughts...then come back and discuss this after we've cooled down a bit.

[FloridaConfederate]

But let's all get it out of our systems now, because in a couple of weeks Mr. Anders will post the actual minutes, and at that point it would be nice just to talk about the events themselves and not the theological differences between various sects of the state religion that we call reenacting.


Schnapps if we are sliding out of insult mode for a minute.....

What do you expect those minutes to reveal ? There just simply is not an effort or desire to put the EBUFU events on the schedule apparently. There is no movement to try and drum up excitement for those events. A cut your teeth mainstream adjunct to an EBUFU if you will. That is fine. But when it comes out on the AC again devoid of EBUFU involvement look for someone to take issue with it.

All of this crapola and meanness today a few keystrokes and a little good faith could have resolved it instantly. C. Anders could have put it all to silence today. A simple question by CA and his coordinators...which of thier events would the EBUFU community like to see promoted and included in the 150th planning. To help insure / bolster success what commitment can the leaders of those events and the history heavy community give to help folks reach up and help put their best impression forward ? By doing so they can hopefully have a fulfilling event experience which inspires them to do additional events and they tell friends based on their first hand exp and soon the demarcating line begins to blur until it is gone. If one fourth of the effort to get "campaigners" to adjuncts at mainstream events was shown to getting mainstreamers to EBUFU events it would be a start. I for one (not that I would be wanted or welcomed mind you) would be all over the oppty. For the longest time....notices / recruitment for mainstreams events wasnt even allowed on the A/C... the relaxing of those rules and the constant barrage of adjuncts even created a new sub-class of AC events....the approved adjunct. This is to further demonstrate the EBUFU community has made concessions..please toss us a bone.


But nah.


Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[FloridaConfederate]

When is the approved reading list going to be presented? I need to make my Christmas list...

If you're serious, there are folks who can point you toward selections which will maximize the focus on making you successful renenactor.

Start a new thread and detail your present "level", books already under your belt and your specific interests / need.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[billwatson2]

"I think many are missing the point of Mr. Rideout's initial post."

The point of it seems, more than anything else, to have been to start the kind of fight a great many folks are sick to death of having to experience. Which moves whose ball toward what goalpost?

[skamikaze]

This is hands down the stupidest argument I've seen on here in a long time.

No one has gained anything from this whatsoever. It was stupid to begin with and will probably get dumber before its dumb.

[Pvt Schnapps]

The initial announcement was fine. Talking about events is fine. Ideological assaults by self-anointed defenders of the faith are, indeed, about as dumb as it gets. What Watson said.

[FloridaConfederate]

The initial announcement was fine. Talking about events is fine. Ideological assaults by self-anointed defenders of the faith are, indeed, about as dumb as it gets. What Watson said.



Posting a schedule all over the net and babbling on about all kinds of smack about unity and one hobby but totally leaving one sides events "unincluded" is not only dumb...it shows exactly how disingenuous some folks are. Then when they can simply correct the situation by showing some inclusion as advised twice now.... but folks egos wont allow them to put aside, correct and move on together .....that is about as IMMATURE as it gets.

Lets take you Schnapps, you had the chance come back here to put it all to rest as well and be a true ambassador for unity, you have all these stellar EBUFU connections and vast event experience w/ them...you not going to step up and be inclusive and resolve this ? Looks like you are you just going to comeback here after the dust has settled and try to stir it up again with inflammatory posts like above ? That ego got you et' inside up sumpin terrible son.

This shows you are not a leader in the hobby at all and all your talk is just hollow, empty words. In retrospect you are far more egregious than me...at least I come out and speak my mind and dont hide it, I try to leave room / oppty for resolution and make my wrongs as right as I can on the internets.

Not withstanding the fact you are a known LIAR. There has been no ideological arguments in this thread. My comments are strictly based on inclusion and EBUFU events being left of the schedule. Nice Try.


Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Pvt Schnapps]

Rideout, let's talk about "one side of the hobby" versus the other. The truth is, it's Anders posting an announcement about a cycle of events supported by a wide consortium of groups represented by a number of folks, including many whose names could be found on the old "Who is Us?" list.

That list even included my name for awhile, though I told the author to take it off.

I contend that your constant evocation of "EBUFU" is in fact an ideological posture. It has no objective foundation in the nature or quality of the events proposed for the 150th cycle. Like other ideological fixations, it seems to owe less to analysis than to personal pathology, especially when you get into one of your rants.

Seriously, if you really cared about the events on the AC calendar you'd let those sponsors take care of it themselves rather than tainting them by any association with your septic blatherings.

[FloridaConfederate]

See what I said was right. You dont care about inclusiveness. Just more fuel to the fire when a few simple ego-free words and a concession could build a new bridge Mike ? Man, that ugly ego has wrapped its boney fingers around you... does that arrogance stem from being how did you say "a Beltway Insider" ?

The "sponsors" of the AC and the vast majority of the true EBUFU going community, at least the ones I communicate with daily dont care about your "150th plans and schedules"..that is a fact Mike. You post that and the alerts go crazy.. The EBUFU calender and process is alive and well and so full.... events are turned away. But sadly you always rather than talk about the issue focus on me and on that note ..At the risk of coming across haughty, I personally seem to have been a part of their event plans for a while Mike...many have helped me step up despite severe and self-professed, well noted shortcomings, they have given me and my son key roles in their events, asked me to come to events I wasnt attending cause they were out of my lane and tailored involvement for my level /abilities, loaned me kit, horses, fed me, carried me to events and made me clothes / hats, let me drive their teams...so until I am told otherwise look for me to stand up for them at the same time pointing out the phony, exclusive ways of you and your 150th schedule.

Ill give you the last word Mike, which I know will be about me instead of your inability to be a man here, your what 60 something ? and lead this forum toward a fix which could be done real easily and get on with building true unity.

Nah you watch

CR
Tpa, FL

[FloridaConfederate]

represented by a number of folks, including many whose names could be found on the old "Who is Us?" list.

That list even included my name for awhile, though I told the author to take it off.



This really is the the most telling statement Mike. How you desperately try to attach yourself to the EBUFU for credibility with some yet you have to show how you detached yourself to gain credibility with others.

If people from the EBUFU community where valued participants and still not a single EBUFU is on the list then SHAME SHAME SHAME. Is that why no names are mentioned or no one from that community has come out and posted in support of the unity schedule which contains no unity?

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Wagonrider]

The "hobby" is dying from within. -R.K. Hanson

[Pvt Schnapps]

This really is the the most telling statement Mike. How you desperately try to attach yourself to the EBUFU for credibility with some yet you have to show how you detached yourself to gain credibility with others.

If people from the EBUFU community where valued participants and still not a single EBUFU is on the list then SHAME SHAME SHAME. Is that why no names are mentioned or no one from that community has come out and posted in support of the unity schedule which contains no unity?

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida


You keep missing the point. In the field, there is no absolute distinction between "EBUFU" and the rest of the hobby, as anyone with experience with it knows. The theoretical distinction has its most intense manifestation only in cyberspace.

There is, however, a distinction between "EBUFU" and "EBU-FU" ("Schnapps's Rules," #93) but you still lack the knowledge and street cred to make it.

[FloridaConfederate]

You keep missing the point. In the field, there is no absolute distinction between "EBUFU" and the rest of the hobby, as anyone with experience with it knows. The theoretical distinction has its most intense manifestation only in cyberspace.



See this is a case where again you dont know what you are talking about or you do and it is purposeful deception on your part.

EBUFU (and I hate the acronym) events are events that approved by a "board of event planners and leaders" as meeting certain criteria, historical focus and the provision of an intellectual component not found at many other events. All that is really done is it is assigned an "event folder" and it from there takes on life of its own under the watchful eyes of its organizers. Folks post research, pics, firper plans etc. It is not label you wear, you dont get a card or EBUFU cockade, there is no secret handshake.

Here is a link how to get an event folder and the submittal deadlines for consideration.

http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20679

There also exists now an ability to add adjuncts to mainstream events which has made a segment of the community perturbed at times as the adjunct crowd rarely and there are exceptions supports the EBUFU events.

This process and the EBUFU stamp are the gold standard for myself and many in the hobby. I place full faith in it and have had many a serious, meaningful experience that was wicked fun ( those events you discount Mike). EBUFU is not the end all be all for everyone. With the tenderness I see displayed here daily, hourly.. you do need to think about your level of suck it up ness. Mid-19th Cent military service was neither fair nor comfortable. Recreating it accurately isnt either. You can ignore EBUFU, place no faith in the vetting and certainly never attend one. Is this more clear now ?

EBUFU has only the power you put into it. No one is pushing the concept on you...... it is a concept you buy into.

I really wish you Mike, with your vast legions of followers you would start your own accrediting body. I would give you EBUFU if I could because you and yours are so very fixated on it.

Or EYWSWTPYUEA

Events You Want Schnappys Wife To Pick You Up Early At

CR ...TPA in FLA

[Pvt Schnapps]

Rideout, you're conflating the AC forum "EBUFU" listing with the term in general. This is like restricting the word "democratic" to membership in a particular political party.

As a late convert to the faith, it's understandable that you are more devoted than rational about it. But mere virulence doesn't make you right.

I think that even the board of the AC forum would reject the idea that their EBUFU events are the only ones out there. They are the ones that people want to submit for inclusion, and the ones that get submitted in time for inclusion, and ideally would encompass most of the ones that people would be interested in, but that's all. The AC board are fellow reenactors, after all, not the Vatican.

The more you associate the term with the AC forum and the board that selects events for that forum, the more you make my argument that you should leave the matter of enforcement up to them. When you interject yourself into the discussion on their behalf you run the risk of making them look just as devisive, derisive, and uncomprehending as you are.

And nobody deserves that.

[FloridaConfederate]

Oh look, more about me and nothing on the topic. Wow whodda thunk ?



I think that even the board of the AC forum would reject the idea that their EBUFU events are the only ones out there. They are the ones that people want to submit for inclusion, and the ones that get submitted in time for inclusion, and ideally would encompass most of the ones that people would be interested in, but that's all. The AC board are fellow reenactors, after all, not the Vatican.

See here you sad little distorter to meet your agenda....this is fabrication and twisting of the truth...I went and explained specifically what the EBUFU process was and how it was not the end all. Ad nauseum.....for you to post something like this Mike means your nothing more than a Goddammned liar Mike or you truly view things from such a position of submission that you must assign religious patriarchal terminology. It is because of this folks see all along you dont want unity, Mike you dont want a combined schedule or anything of the sort..you dig just what you started here again this morning even after asked to be leader and make it right. Therefore, I am not going to participate is this discussion with you, not because I don't enjoy the personal shots and back and forth, but how can you have honest open dialog with **** liar and distorter. Folks see you for what you are Mike..there is ample testimony elsewhere from your round table participants and others of just exactly what a tool you are ......@ over 60 most grow out of it.

and at the end of the day no matter how you try to belittle my involvement with my friends in our community at our events...I have done more events and have better, stronger relationships than you.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Pvt Schnapps]

and at the end of the day no matter how you try to belittle my involvement with my friends in our community at our events...I have done more events and have better, stronger relationships than you.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

That's right, Chris: you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you.

[FloridaConfederate]

That's right, Chris: you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you.

Yep. It really eats you up inside. You proved to that community and pards youre a quitter that cant be counted on when the going gets tough. That speaks to charachter. Its hard to get those "street creds" you talk about back once they are gone. Maybe that is why you refuse to include one of those events on your schedule ?

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida
Stewart Smalley Rangers

[Pvt Schnapps]

What's "charachter"? Is it Scottish, or what happens when your wires cross and you begin smoldering?

[FloridaConfederate]

What's "charachter"? Is it Scottish, or what happens when your wires cross and you begin smoldering?

Its the sound...... someone you hoped, if anyone and only because you would expect a modicum of fairness / equality, (however contrived we see now it would have been) based on his very liberal views of the world, his life compass polarized by Marxist ideology and support of mandated egalitarianism..... makes when the air has been deflated from his argument so much that typos are his only retort.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida
Add Illiterate to the Disparaging Traits You Assign To Me Schnnapy Mess

[Pvt Schnapps]

If using spellcheck and thinking twice before I push "Send" make me a Marxist, I plead guilty as charged.

[FloridaConfederate]

There is no "Send" button its a "Post Reply" Button but that dosent change the fact the your 150th plans for inclusiveness aren't inlcusive at all at and how you wont answer about that.

Can we switch now to discussion about how you as round table leader make them inclusive or are you just not even wiling to consider EBUFU events at all ?

Here is a tiepo cuz I know you will go the way I think you will.

Oh and have you abandonded your Marxist dogma / value system or just being disengenous and secretive about it in front freedom loving Americans ?

CR
TPA,FLA

["Doc" Nelson]

Is it Scottish . . ?
Heeeeey!!! watch the Scottish jokes :wink: .

[Spinster]

Gentlemen

A reminder that this is Mr. Szabo's dinner table. It is not the smoking parlour nor the tavern hall.

Certainly a strong discussion of the 150th cycle needs to occur, so that we as a community can come to some coherent vision. However at this point no discussion is occuring, only adhominem attacks.

Time for all to go on to bed and spend the morrow in the sunshine. No pie nor any other dessert at this dinnertable.

Come back when you can be constructive rather than destructive.

[Pvt Schnapps]

Oh my, adult supervision has returned! God bless you, Mrs. Lawson, I shall rest easy tonight.

[Micah Trent]

You know what was missing in all this:

Doug Thomas and his ice inquiries.:mrgreen:

[Spinster]

Mr Trent

Now don't be stirring or muddying these waters with additional issues.

Mr Thomas has been a pleasant dinner guest of late, and such was recently noted in a small meeting of Adult Supervisors. Pie AND BBQ was served.

[Micah Trent]

Mr Trent

Now don't be stirring or muddying these waters with additional issues.

Mr Thomas has been a pleasant dinner guest of late, and such was recently noted in a small meeting of Adult Supervisors. Pie AND BBQ was served.

You know me Mrs. Lawson...I would never do such an act.:rolleyes:

However, glad to see that Pie and BBQ was served. There is much needed here and some.;)

[FloridaConfederate]

Certainly a strong discussion of the 150th cycle needs to occur, so that we as a community can come to some coherent vision. However at this point no discussion is occuring, only adhominem attacks.

Come back when you can be constructive rather than destructive.




Terre...there is to be no strong discussion to occur. The schedule is made and was stuck in your face as an EBUFU participant. Take it or leave it.

You can call me destructive rather than constructive all you like this is fine. My "pard" RL can cry about how he hit the alert button till his fingers are sore. But take a few moments and read through the posts and really look where the insults and ad hominims come from...look at how many times I tried to allow for a resolution and asked folks to address the issues not me ?

So at the end of the day "effe" it. Ban me. I too sleep well knowing who is behind me on this and I will continue to focus on EBUFU events and continue to support and offer oppty to help those join in, who want to.

I am not moitvated by popularity and I just dont care anymore.

Chris Rideout
Destructive Mess

[Pvt Schnapps]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT: Laurel Scott 150thcycle@gmail.com


WINCHESTER, Va. – Twenty-nine interested parties gathered Aug. 23 for a second discussion on the proposed 150th Cycle of Civil War events.

The meeting was a follow-up to a March 21 conference coordinated by S. Chris Anders of the Chesapeake Volunteer Guard and attended by hobby leaders representing over 1,700 troops from New England to Ohio to North Carolina. "Each meeting sees the group growing as more organizations step up to the plate and take ownership of their hobby,” Anders said. “The group is quite diverse, but dedicated to make the 150th Cycle the best yet. I look forward to great things."

Topics broached at the August meeting included the updating/revision of the Common Sense Resolution, existing events on the Civil War sesquicentennial schedule, and proposed events for the five-year 150th Cycle being undertaken by this group.

Among the latter were Anders’ own “Return to Manassas” event in August, 2010, as well as tentative plans to revisit “Shenandoah ’62,” stage a civilian militia muster to start the 150th Cycle and then the Battle of Ball’s Bluff in 2011, a larger-scale McDowell, the Battle of Antietam/South Mountain in 2012, the Battles of Chancellorsville and Mine Run in 2013, an Overland Campaign event on original ground, the Battles of Third Winchester and Monocacy in 2014 and the Battle of Sayler’s (Sailor’s) Creek in 2015. As plans move forward this list may expand.

Also addressed were the need to compile a manual of event mechanics, the division of responsibilities among the various groups involved in the cycle, and the land available for reenactments.

In the end, it was agreed that a website should be created for the sharing of event information among the group members as they work to solidify the events in the 150th Cycle.

The next 150th Cycle Meeting is scheduled for Nov. 21 (Remembrance Day) in Gettysburg, PA. If you would like to attend this meeting, or need more information, please e-mail Laurel Scott at 150thcycle@gmail.com.

Fresh start.

[sigman]

Six battalions representing four organizations have banded together to work cooperatively during the 150th cycle. The organizations include Mifflin Guard, National Regiment, Vincent's Brigade and the three USV battalions. That potentially represents 1,000+ fieldable reenactors at major events.

The units will form two brigades at Cedar Creek and will march together as a brigade at this year's remembrance Day parade.

Andy Siganuk, Mifflin Guard Federal Alliance representative

[Remise]

My first sergeant can beat up your first sergeant.

B.C. Milligan
Seen the Irrelevant Mess

[flattop32355]

My first sergeant can beat up your first sergeant.

B.C. Milligan
Seen the Irrelevant Mess

But he can't beat up our Sgt. Major.

[KeystoneGuard]

I'm having deja vu of another recent thread:eek:

[KeystoneGuard]

I couldn't agree more. I hate to recruit anymore folks and get them mixed up in the political nightmare of the hobby. Aren't the politics of our country termoil enough!

[Pvt Schnapps]

Gentlemen, we have a renewed opportunity to talk about how we approach the 150th cycle, and what sort of events we can put out there. Let's let this group promote its playlist, and put it alongside the events on the AC forum, and enjoy the smorgasbord. There will be the usual entries from the beer, battle, and ball circuit as well. I personally hope to sample a bit of each.

It's all good. It's a great country.

[Remise]

On a more serious, and non-acrimonius note, I for one am delighted at the formation of this "brigade," and think it has great implications for the future. I applaud the people who introduced and are implementing this idea.

B.C. Milligan
Company K, First Penna. Reserves

[OVI]

Is this the great Eastern Alliance that was being formed earlier this year for Spotsylvania? Who's in charge of the new Brigade?

Kent Dorr - Ohio
"Devils Own Mess"

[Jim of the SRR]

The whole 150th discussion is multi-facted. I think we shoudl try to keep some focus here on how to present the best historical models for the reenactors and the public.

Let's first face the reality, the 150th cycle will split the already divided hobby with a canyon. The large, mega-mainstream events will be devolve into horrendous farb-fests as an influx of newm green reenactors will want to take part in the celebration. I see new guys who get their kits as quickly as they can get thru sutler row, lack of safety issues, mainstreamers coming out of retirement with their old crappy kits so they can be part of the party, VERY poor impressions and undocumented impressions will abound, women and children in camps and worse.
With that, everyone else MUST plan to create and take part in a seperate and more serious set of 150th events.

I did attend Mr. Anders, 'At High Tide' event and enjoyed it. But, lets look at the pros and cons of this event.
The pros are that he has created a new series of events that are basically mainstream events with some enofrced minimum standards and purged of the unrepentent farbs. Hooray for this! I think there is much merit to this effort.
The con is that we can not fool ourselves into categorizing these events as c/p/h or EBUFU events (at least based on the standards that MOST c/p/h reenactors recognize...these are even posted on the AC). So, Anders events defy some ability to categorize them. Despite that I think they are worthy efforts to support. At worst it detracts from the circus, farbfests that will be leading the way for these 150th cycle events. What to call the, I don;t know...EBUFU lite, softcore events, improved mainstream, bridge events, "compromise' events...I don't know?

Last, each person can support and attend whatever events they want in this hobby. But, keep in mind that c/p/h reenactors will resist and fight to keep EBUFU events from being just watered down events with no posted or enforced standards. I see lots of folks organizing events that they claim to be EBUFU, etc, from folks who have never supported or rarely attend EBUFU events. Everyone claims their event is EBUFU, authentic, whatever, and no one will openly say their event is going to be a farbfest. But, we all know there will be farbfests.

EBUFU events that have published and enforced standards also are held to a higher standard. And many times c/p/h reenactors will fail in part to meet these standards. But, I do not consider this a point of embarrasment, but a point of pride. If you set standards and try your best, it is better than not trying at all and just giving in to the farbside.

In summary, we will have two series of 150th cycle events. EBUFU and mainstream. Mr. Anders events bridge both.

Jim Butler

[billwatson2]

FloridaConfederate
Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006
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"There is no "Send" button its a "Post Reply" Button but that dosent change the fact the your 150th plans for inclusiveness aren't inlcusive at all at and how you wont answer about that.

Can we switch now to discussion about how you as round table leader make them inclusive or are you just not even wiling to consider EBUFU events at all ?

Here is a tiepo cuz I know you will go the way I think you will.

Oh and have you abandonded your Marxist dogma / value system or just being disengenous and secretive about it in front freedom loving Americans ?

CR
TPA,FLA "


Can one of the moderators explain why a personal attack like this is acceptable on this forum?

wjw

[OVI]

Jim Butler....your analysis of the event types to be offered for the up-coming 150ths was well reasoned and thoughtfully presented.
Thats just the kind of intelligence and constructive fellowship that has no place on this board. Pack your **** and get out Jim. :)

Kent Dorr - Ohio
"Devils Own Mess"

[PetePaolillo]

Can one of the moderators explain why a personal attack like this is acceptable on this forum?

wjw


Was he talking to you Bill? Were you personally offended? Why did you only quote Florida Confederate? Why not reread the thread and quote the personal attacks made by the guy that this comment was directed at? Are you a moderator? and one last question, Considering the two guys fthat were fighting back and forth in this thread because they enjoy it and seem to be done with this issue, Are you trying to stir the pot again?

[flattop32355]

In summary, we will have two series of 150th cycle events. EBUFU and mainstream. Mr. Anders events bridge both.

Just as in any other year(s), there's going to be a wide spread of event types, based upon accuracy/standards/etc.

We'll still have the so-called mega-events: Gettysburg and Cedar Creek (Are there others that qualify?). The business model for them is so profitable for the sponsors that they aren't about to change things to make their events more palatable to the quality-conscious reenactor crowd. Big bucks will be paid by reenactors, spectators and vendors alike, with a sop thrown to some unnamed preservation cause and the event's financial books never seeing the light of day.

We'll still have all the small, local festival/fair/park/community events, where standards almost don't apply. If anything, there will be more of them than ever before, because everyone will want to do one to be a part of the 150th hubbub. Most will take whomever they can get to put bodies on the field, with five-on-five "battles" if necessary.

We'll still have the farbfests, similar to the local events in standards, but on a grander scale. If the economy doesn't improve, some folks will opt to hit these, as they tend to be closer and cost less than some distant "good" event.

We'll still have some decent mainstream events, with higher (but not too high) standards, where you can make believe, at least part of the time, that you are trying to "be" a soldier or period civilian.

We'll still have the Anders type events, where you'll get more out of the experience than most mainstream events. The standards will be higher still, but still not those extra, little demands and details that are reserved for the EBUFU events. (All of which can be met by only minor concessions.)

We'll still have the "campaigner adjuncts", where people who say they don't like mainstream events go to mainstream events, but make believe they aren't mainstream events. Pray that it doesn't rain.........

We'll still have the EBUFU/campaigner/hardcore/progressive/etc events, where if you want to play soldier all weekend, you can do just that, if you can ignore the folks who keep bringing up modern day conversations, etc. (And you know it happens, too!) :shock: Good, solid events to attend, and I recommend them to any reenactor; Been there, done that, will be doing them again, stretching my limits of endurance/knowledge/ability.

What some have a hard time understanding is that these meetings aimed towards the 150th cycle are not, repeat not, geared towards either the farbfest crowd or the EBUFU crowd. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Anders.) They are geared towards that large, progressive chunk of the mainstream that would like to do more than the Battle/Beer/Ball Samo-Samo and those "higher end" reenactors who don't mind attending a good event whose standards aren't quite as high as some other options.

Both the farbfest and EBUFU crowds are more than welcome to attend, provided they accept what the standards are and adjust expectations to meet or exceed them. Anyone who finds the standards too strict or too lax to be acceptable will probably do better by skipping these events.

There is, of course, some tradeoff by doing this type of event: Lower numbers than could possibly be gotten, but attracting the greatest number possible of men and women who want the better experience provided.

The EBUFU crowd will do what it was going to do anyway, which is not a bad thing. I'll be at some of those events, too. Doubt I'll be at many (any) adjuncts, though; somehow, they've always struck me as an odd duck.

"Straddling the fence" has been a rewarding way of participating in the hobby. It may not be for everyone, but I've enjoyed it.

[billwatson2]

Yup, personally offended, and that takes a lot. I want to know if this kind of thing is OK now. It's a personal attack, and about something that has nothing to do with reenacting.

I get enough manufactured indignation and personal agendas posing as community issues in the real world. If it's going to happen here, I'm folding.

You really don't think the Marxist post stood out? You really don't see a difference in the tone and content of the various posts?

[FloridaConfederate]

You really don't think the Marxist post stood out? You really don't see a difference in the tone and content of the various posts?

You need to read my previous post where I talk about Schanpps self professed liberal egalitarian views, as one most inclined to libertarian as a label many of those views I agree with by the way and further reference the context in light of Schnnapys dissertations on Marxism here and promotion of many of those ideologies in other circles...which I asked again in the context of had he abandoned these views... if those are his views hey this is America bro.

not as in I called him a Marxist like some left <> right wing nutcase at a town hall meeting spewing condemnations for which I/they have no concept of its appropriateness as what I think you allege here ???????


Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[billwatson2]

Schnapp's dissertations on Marxism are the product of one of his clerk personae. When he starts on it we call him "Red Karl" the adjutant's clerk. Surely you realize that. It would be hard to find anyone in the world who believes in Marxism. It would, in fact, be hard to find anyone who actually has read Das Kapital beyond the massive footnote on page two. There were, on the other hand, quite a few Germans in the Union army who knew about and approved of Marx, even before he wrote Das Kapital, hence Schnapp's embellishments to enliven his clerk impression.

And is there a difference, in smear context, between asking someone if they've stopped beating their wife or if they've stopped being a Marxist?

[PetePaolillo]

Yup, personally offended, and that takes a lot. I want to know if this kind of thing is OK now. It's a personal attack, and about something that has nothing to do with reenacting.

I get enough manufactured indignation and personal agendas posing as community issues in the real world. If it's going to happen here, I'm folding.

You really don't think the Marxist post stood out? You really don't see a difference in the tone and content of the various posts?


So are you a comrade of schnapps there Red Bill?:D.....I am just teasing you. If you knew the relationship they have with each other you would not be offended...sickened perhaps but not offended.

[FloridaConfederate]

It would be hard to find anyone in the world who believes in Marxism. And is there a difference, in smear context, between asking someone if they've stopped beating their wife or if they've stopped being a Marxist?


I am thinking there are many many who disagree with you there on you first point and see it alive and flourishing, but of course they are just common, proletariat folk, no where near as learnt or enlightened as you.

and as to your smear

Would you please re-read in the same thread where Schnapps alleges me a racist because of my avatar which is a snip from a photo of a Federal Camp in 1864 @ Petersburg where they are cock fighting and several Federal Officers are present...which happens to be used as the avatar for my social group based on the theme of the Cock Ring and gamecock fighting..

Please Bill, apply your standard and as an honest man come back and report on your findings about personal shots on this website....I dare you to be that honest.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Spinster]

Mr. Watson, on behalf of us moderators, and the board owner, I do apologize.

The standard for this board has long been articulated as Dinner Table Manners. In most households, that would include such things as respecting the rules of the host, or no adhominem attacks.

Alas, much as some have discerned that the alert system is currently inoperative, and on a holiday weekend, many other features are also inoperative.

Rather like a grandmother babysitting a group of teenagers, sometimes influence is not enough, and grandma cannot do a thing. Eventually the police arrive, but sometimes it takes a while for the call to get through and units to respond.

[FloridaConfederate]

Mr. Watson, on behalf of us moderators, and the board owner, I do apologize.

The standard for this board has long been articulated as Dinner Table Manners. In most households, that would include such things as respecting the rules of the host, or no adhominem attacks.

Alas, much as some have discerned that the alert system is currently inoperative, and on a holiday weekend, many other features are also inoperative.

Rather like a grandmother babysitting a group of teenagers, sometimes influence is not enough, and grandma cannot do a thing. Eventually the police arrive, but sometimes it takes a while for the call to get through and units to respond.


Ma'am respectfully please you know of anybody all you have to do is ask me to leave....give me three steps give me three steps Mrs L and you'll never see me no more, fo sho'.

Shall I accept this excoriation in lieu of that direct request ?

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Pvt Schnapps]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT: Laurel Scott 150thcycle@gmail.com


WINCHESTER, Va. – Twenty-nine interested parties gathered Aug. 23 for a second discussion on the proposed 150th Cycle of Civil War events.

The meeting was a follow-up to a March 21 conference coordinated by S. Chris Anders of the Chesapeake Volunteer Guard and attended by hobby leaders representing over 1,700 troops from New England to Ohio to North Carolina. "Each meeting sees the group growing as more organizations step up to the plate and take ownership of their hobby,” Anders said. “The group is quite diverse, but dedicated to make the 150th Cycle the best yet. I look forward to great things."

Topics broached at the August meeting included the updating/revision of the Common Sense Resolution, existing events on the Civil War sesquicentennial schedule, and proposed events for the five-year 150th Cycle being undertaken by this group.

Among the latter were Anders’ own “Return to Manassas” event in August, 2010, as well as tentative plans to revisit “Shenandoah ’62,” stage a civilian militia muster to start the 150th Cycle and then the Battle of Ball’s Bluff in 2011, a larger-scale McDowell, the Battle of Antietam/South Mountain in 2012, the Battles of Chancellorsville and Mine Run in 2013, an Overland Campaign event on original ground, the Battles of Third Winchester and Monocacy in 2014 and the Battle of Sayler’s (Sailor’s) Creek in 2015. As plans move forward this list may expand.

Also addressed were the need to compile a manual of event mechanics, the division of responsibilities among the various groups involved in the cycle, and the land available for reenactments.

In the end, it was agreed that a website should be created for the sharing of event information among the group members as they work to solidify the events in the 150th Cycle.

The next 150th Cycle Meeting is scheduled for Nov. 21 (Remembrance Day) in Gettysburg, PA. If you would like to attend this meeting, or need more information, please e-mail Laurel Scott at 150thcycle@gmail.com.

Restarting again.

[skochara]

Gentlemn,
If I may interjec there. I am new to this business of reenacting and will not claim to be an expert in anything. I am still learning. I chose to get into reenacting to honor my family in my way. I had relitives fight on both sides in all theatres. I can prove this if anyone would doubt me.
I am getting ready to do my first campaigner event at the end of the month at Hopes Campaign. At that time I will make sure to go up and shake Mr. Anders hand and say thank you for taking his time to help schedule events to include everyone. M ahts off to you sir.
Forthose of you who feel it is your duty to put these people on blast please do it appropiately. If you can not take the time to communicate with these men or help plan thing sthen pleas edont put them on blast because the dont do what you want. I am sure they are doing their best to fit everyone in. As for downing some one who choses to honor these men in a way that does not meet your strict requirements to bad. They maybe chosing to honor their ancestors in a way they see fit. FOr all yuo knwo some of their ancestors may have been to the left or right of yours in the heat snow and rain. Please give them the same respect I give everyone who takes of their time to honor these brave men.
In closing if you chose to put some one on blast do it in the appropate forum not out in front of all.
Once again Thank You Mr. Anders and you comrades for planning events and if there is ever anything I can do to help you please do not hesitate to ask sir.

Sincerely,
Scott Kochara
USN Active Duty
2nd Maryland Co H. CSA
"CLean up your own yard before you question the neighbors."

[TheQM]

This thread has to be the perfect example of everything wrong with discussing our Hobby on the internet. A plague on all your houses!

[flattop32355]

This thread has to be the perfect example of everything wrong with discussing our Hobby on the internet. A plague on all your houses!

It is merely a case of differences of opinion that have taken on personal overtones.

That happens here, and other places, from time to time. I have, regrettably, been guilty of the same on occasion.

It can either continue to follow the present course, which benefits no one and could potentially drive away some from the hobby, or the opportunity can be taken to redirect the discussion into more constructive lines.

Information has been dispensed, and a concern about the omission of additional information has been brought forth.

If rational discussion can be made upon those points, the hobby as a whole will gain from it. If not, it might be best to end the thread and allow for a refocus on items we can work together upon.

[minieball69]

Folks,

I was the chairman at the Winchester meeting and I wanted to offer my two cents to this discussion:

For the record, the purpose of the group meetings is to forge a team of units and individuals willing to put (read: work) on two events per year on the "At High Tide" and "September Storm" model in the Mid-Atlantic region in the upcoming 150th cycle. We hope to attract between 2000 and 3000 participants to each event. These events are going to be scheduled well away from the so-called funnel cake, mega events we all know are going to occur (150th Gettysburg, as an example). They are, by definition, EBUFU in all respects.

We are NOT and should never be considered the only 150th Cycle event committee. We fully expect that others are (or should be) planning EBUFU events in other important CW regions. We do hope to hear from others planning events in these other areas so we can try to coordinate schedules and not step on another event.

After all, we'd like to go to a great 150th Cycle event and not have to work :)

Best to All,

[Regular DOC]

This is a juvenile view of the situation. I can tell you the men I know doing EBUFU events are not cliquish at all, quite the opposite.

It really is not even US vs THEM. This was posted in on the AC as being the mechanism to sort out the 150th cycle, create schedule deconfliction and promotion of events. When in reality it is not inclusive at all and only promotes your events / schedule. Which is 100% "cool" . The EBUFU process is and remains the events I am backing with my time and money. I wish instead of the butthurtedness folks would create their own new thing, ignore me and the minority view and move on. With respect to the "history" and their legacy and all those noble, emotional tags...meh....I dont do it for the history or education or my ancestors...I do it to have fun. I think using those motivations to somehow bolster credibility is comical actually.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida


Not Cliquish surely you jest. Your belief that only good events are EBUFU shows that quality quite well. We all do these things for our own reasons be it theme camping as you do to those of us who not only have fun but who want to interact with the public and maybe start a spark in some kids mind that will get them reenacting in the future.

[FloridaConfederate]

. Your belief that only good events are EBUFU shows that quality quite well. We all do these things for our own reasons be it theme camping as you do to those of us who not only have fun but who want to interact with the public and maybe start a spark in some kids mind that will get them reenacting in the future.


Brian here is a clue you dont know what you are talking about. There are active threads with my promotion and use of my image to promote mainstream events.

I was at a mainstream event this weekend with folks from this website one of a which is a General in large Fl mainstream unit and another Capt over another unitand interacted extensively with the public, children and other young mainstream reenactors (who approached us) and tried to focus them off the kit kit kit and getting them to history focused events (and listened to their excuses why they couldnt make an event). Please do not think youself the only one to draw public attention and posses the ability to interact with people.

You really do not know anything about me or my side of the hobby, but you can pass some strong judgements.


But rest asssured as soon as Mrs L or another mod asks me to leave Im gone.
Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[FloridaConfederate]

Here is an article on the event and the young man who approached us with his pards about wanting to be "campaigner" and then proceeded to talk about kit kit kit...when pointed in the direction of folks like the Armory Guards, SCAR and Western Independent Greys. together with EBUFU events...the immediate answer: I cant do those events I am in college. This young man has made great strides in the "looks kewl" dept.....which it the focus of so many..not events.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/civil-war-re-enactment-in-dade-city-offers-glimpse-into-the-past/1034331

CRTPAFLA

[Regular DOC]

Brian here is a clue you dont know what you are talking about. There are active threads with my promotion and use of my image to promote mainstream events.

I was at a mainstream event this weekend with folks from this website one of a which is a General in large Fl mainstream unit and another Capt over another unitand interacted extensively with the public, children and other young mainstream reenactors (who approached us) and tried to focus them off the kit kit kit and getting them to history focused events (and listened to their excuses why they couldnt make an event). Please do not think youself the only one to draw public attention and posses the ability to interact with people.

You really do not know anything about me or my side of the hobby, but you can pass some strong judgements.


But rest asssured as soon as Mrs L or another mod asks me to leave Im gone.
Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida


I take it you automatically assume I do not attend History Focused events? I attend those as well as others. As a matter of fact I generally only attend LH vice the mainstream mega fests. I may go to two of the poweder burners at most a year. However I do attend as many living histories as time, job and finances allow. Including a judged competition at Jamestown.

It is not your side of the hobby. This is why I do not join C/P/H groups even though I have the kit to do it as well as the time spent in research even going beyond the number of stiches per inch of a SA fatigue blouse:rolleyes:. Why do I avoid those groups cause of people like you. Though most of the C/P/H community are good people and are not as arrogant as you there are too many of the "we know it all and are better reenactors cause we attend EBUFU events" attitude holders out there.(One in a group is too many.)

[FloridaConfederate]

i take it you automatically assume i do not attend history focused events?

no i dont assume or think anything about you, i really didnt even recognize your user name or real name and thought you might be one of the regular alter egos ???????


i attend those as well as others. As a matter of fact i generally only attend lh vice the mainstream mega fests. I may go to two of the poweder burners at most a year. However i do attend as many living histories as time, job and finances allow. Including a judged competition at jamestown.

me too

it is not your side of the hobby. This is why i do not join c/p/h groups even though i have the kit to do it as well as the time spent in research even going beyond the number of stiches per inch of a sa fatigue blouse:rolleyes:.

me too..not a part of a group never have been...research..meh. I use "my side of the hobby" strictly for reference of alignment not as statment of ownership.

why do i avoid those groups cause of people like you. Though most of the c/p/h community are good people and are not as arrogant as you there are too many of the "we know it all and are better reenactors cause we attend ebufu events" attitude holders out there.(one in a group is too many.)

well brian if you think my posistion is from arrogance once again you are not reading my posts or youre spinning.....i am as self-deprecating as they come ....i have refused invites because of my unrepresentative physiotype and lack of goods required...please do some searches. Thats is too bad limiting yourself based on the faults of others..men where i come from typically can stand on their own merits and do what they wish. I am actually drawn to the arrogant ones like a fat kid to cake.

crtpafla+2

[hanktrent]

Though most of the C/P/H community are good people and are not as arrogant as you there are too many of the "we know it all and are better reenactors cause we attend EBUFU events" attitude holders out there.(One in a group is too many.)

That's the problem with any segment of the hobby--there may be only a few bad apples, but all it takes is one or two to make your life miserable. It's why I don't attend many mainstream events--just ask Bernie Biederman how nervous I was before attending one with him this summer.

A couple of very bad apples I've run into over the years in the non-c/p/h end of the hobby is enough to scare me away from whole segments of events, because even if they're only one or two out of thousands of people, dealing with the damage they cause isn't worth it.

Problem is, it isn't limited to one segment of the hobby, or one segment of anything in life. The risk is always there, though admittedly the risk of upsetting the wrong people and making them into your personal enemies is less if you're generally in broad agreement with the people you're around.

But honestly, I've seen about the same percentage of know-it-alls and arrogant people--plus the very very few downright vicious and deceitful people--in every segment of the hobby (and in every walk of life as well). It seems to be a personality thing, unconnected to the amount of actual historic knowledge, level of impression, etc.

Hank Trent
hanktrent@gmail.com

[Remise]

It is my understanding that the original purpose of this thread was to discuss things that are going to happen, not things that are not, should not, never will, or might happen.

Maybe it's time for another repost of the original post.

B.C. Milligan
ADD Mess

P.S. Apparently already done in a new thread! Hurrah!

[Pvt Schnapps]

It is my understanding that the original purpose of this thread was to discuss things that are going to happen, not things that are not, should not, never will, or might happen.

Maybe it's time for another repost of the original post.

B.C. Milligan
ADD Mess

P.S. Apparently already done in a new thread! Hurrah!

And Mr. Rideout has exercised considerable restraint regarding the new thread. I will try to be equally mature henceforth regarding him and his views.

[wheres_my_horse]

Brain said,


Though most of the c/p/h community are good people and are not as arrogant as you there are too many of the "we know it all and are better reenactors cause we attend ebufu events" attitude holders out there.(one in a group is too many.)

Chris you replied


well brian if you think my posistion is from arrogance once again you are not reading my posts or youre spinning


In This (http://www.cwreenactors.com/forum/showthread.php?p=128861#post128861)Post you stated


I think in terms of material culture, authentic goods and overall boiling down of research for consumption by the average CW nactor it all stems completely from the "EBUFU" crowd.

And in this (http://www.cwreenactors.com/forum/showthread.php?p=128829#post128829)post...


Ok but the EBUFU has develeoped into, despite yours and others here efforts to water it down into one hobby as the body that a good majorty of us place our trust in vetting and developing quality history heavy events. Though ya'll are winning that battle over there and inclusion over committment and hard work will win the day so it seems.

And that was me looking for all of 5 minutes. Sorry for the spin.

[plankmaker]

The wheels on the bus are back spinning and the wipers will be wooshing like there is a monsoon in no time. I knew things could get back to normal in no time at all.

Mark Campbell
Piney Flats, TN