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3rd_PA_Artillery
01-14-2009, 06:47 PM
Good day, all.

I was just watching my local news station, ABC-27. They said that early this week it was found that the Eternal Peace Light Memorial has been vandalized. Vulgar words and phrases were spray-painted all over the base and the light-tower. The most obscence sections were covered with ply-wood because their cleaning agents would not work properly in the cold weather. A park ranger they interviewed said, "This is moronic. The people who did this are morons and they will never get anywhere with their lives and will never create anything, so instead, they destroy."

I cannot stand some people these days.

Swag
01-14-2009, 09:19 PM
I read about this today here is the link http://www.gettysburgdaily.com/?p=1697 I just do not understand the minds of some people. If caught they should be made example of.

MMurphy
01-14-2009, 11:00 PM
It always amazes me how some morons tend to think that places like parks, and public recreational areas, or memorials are "playgrounds for their destruction". When I lived in the city of El Paso, the city spend hundreds of thousands of dollars each year replacing park equipment that was vandalized. You know, group of people bored at night, go to a park and destroy and tag stuff, becuase "it's something to do"...
The city then said "Screw it", and just took the vandalized stuff away and didn't replace it. Then the people started screaming that there wasn't "anything in the paaaaaaaarrrrkkkkkkssss...Waaaaaah!"

I'm hoping that they catch these idiots, but even if they did, 5 bucks said that they won't get what they deserve.

MDRebCAv
01-15-2009, 12:16 PM
How about turning them over to US for a little "Community Service" and history training?

DamYankee25
01-15-2009, 12:21 PM
How about turning them over to US for a little "Community Service" and history training?

A perfect opportunity to try out all those "nifty" camp punishments of the period!!

GaWildcat
01-15-2009, 01:28 PM
Bucking and gaging, anyone??

Swag
01-15-2009, 03:42 PM
Better yet, let us hanging them by their own thumbs.

3rd_PA_Artillery
01-15-2009, 05:03 PM
Better yet, let us hanging them by their own thumbs.

Or tie them to the spare wheel on the back of the caisson during a long march!

tompritchett
01-15-2009, 06:15 PM
Or tie them to the spare wheel on the back of the caisson during a long march!

Or test the effect of different charges used in black powder enemas.

GaWildcat
01-15-2009, 06:39 PM
Barrel shirt at the VC???

USMRR
01-16-2009, 05:14 PM
Someone needs to call Marcelus Wallace (Ving Rhames character in Pulp Fiction) to deal with these schmucks:

"I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' (fellas) who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. .... I'm gonna get medieval on your ass."

http://www.nndb.com/people/632/000025557/ving5-sized.jpg

sbl
01-16-2009, 09:56 PM
...or we could forgive them.

http://www.heart-cry.com/love/Jesus_ws.jpg

garyjd
01-16-2009, 11:21 PM
...or we could forgive them.

http://www.heart-cry.com/love/Jesus_ws.jpg


OKAY...after they have recieved the punishment they have "earned" by the law. ~Gary

tompritchett
01-17-2009, 02:07 AM
..or we could forgive them.

Isn't the desire for forgiveness repentance supposed to come into play somewhere in the picture? Else there is the divine wrath?

USMRR
01-17-2009, 02:14 AM
http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446579807

Bloated_Corpse
01-17-2009, 02:24 AM
Since the damage may be unfixable, I say no forgiveness.

http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11450699

PS: That's a good book, Chris. More Americans should read it and get over their invisible man delusions.

Spare_Man
01-17-2009, 02:39 AM
That picture looks familiar, Scott. I've seen that face somewhere before.

http://darkstargnome.tripod.com/04995c00.gif

Shermans_Neckties
01-17-2009, 02:44 AM
If law enforcement wants to catch the vandals the first place they need to look closely at is the Gettysburg College frat houses. They will probably find the bronze head of the 4th New York Independent Battery statue there too along with a lot of other missing pieces of monuments.

garyjd
01-17-2009, 09:14 AM
Cameras, cameras, cameras. Unless you travel on foot there are a limited number of ways to enter the various sections of the park. I would think cameras at or near KEY entry and exit points would do. I'm sure state of the art equipment would cost big $$$, but what will it cost to replace or repair the damage done in the past few years? Maybe the Gettysburg Foundation could foot some or all of the bill. To say it was this person or that is just speculation, getting those responsible on camera would be a far from the evidence they have to work with now. ~Gary

sbl
01-17-2009, 10:26 AM
There's that! Render unto Ceasar. It's "fun" to concoct punishment for the vandals but let's not project our darkest fantasies.

sbl
01-17-2009, 10:28 AM
http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446579807


Thanks for the link Chris. I was thinking of reading it, but I already read Dawkins.

sbl
01-17-2009, 10:34 AM
Isn't the desire for forgiveness repentance supposed to come into play somewhere in the picture? Else there is the divine wrath?

I think that's Old Testament. Usually the wrath was on the sinner's family or property. I don't remember any community service or fines handed out in the New Testament, just "don't sin anymore" and a lesson to the stone throwing crowd.

BTW, I was just "funnin'" the fantasy folks. ;)

sbl
01-17-2009, 10:37 AM
Gary, that's good Idea. We have tons of cameras for security already. Some of the no-big-govermnent folks might object. We had that discussion a while back involving a WW I monument on Europe that was used as a location for a porno film. There was heat about punishmnent and even more heat about hiring a guard.

tompritchett
01-17-2009, 04:15 PM
I don't remember any community service or fines handed out in the New Testament, just "don't sin anymore" and a lesson to the stone throwing crowd.

Ah yes, Jesus drawing in the sand as the crowd melted away. (Remember, Jesus may very well also been reacting the hypocrisy of a bunch of men dragging a woman caught in the act of adultery to him to be condemed to death by stoning while they let the man involved the same act walk away untouched.) While this is not a place for a theological debate, I do seem to remember reading in the Gospels of Jesus having some not so friendly predictions for the ultimate future of those who did not seek God's forgiveness and repent of their former ways. And let's not forget the whole book of Revelation.

Now bringing this back to the original topic of this thread - if the responsible individuals do come foward to seek to make restitution and ask forgiveness, then yes it would be appropriate to grant it after they fulfill whatever the law requires of them. However, as long as they continue to think that what they did was funny, then they deserve the fullest punishment that the law can bring upon their heads.

sbl
01-17-2009, 04:28 PM
Thank you Thomas. You got it.

MAryland Field Hospital
02-11-2009, 07:23 PM
does any one know what the red cloths were about . i know here we are getting a horrible influx of Bloods running the streets and the cops are too scared to confront them. GB is only an hour away i hope these POS gangs aren't trying to move in on GB turf . They tend to hang red cloths after one of their crap head banger brothers get killed

jda3rd
02-14-2009, 08:44 PM
"It makes one positively anxious for the end of civilization, as we know it."
Horace Rumpole

Regimental_Officer
02-15-2009, 02:08 AM
How about turning them over to US for a little "Community Service" and history training?


I think i would agree with this reply to the thread!!!

KarinTimour
02-15-2009, 11:07 AM
I'm sorry to hear that Belkamp, MD is experiencing the Bloods. They are nasty customers on many levels, and I hope things turn around for you soon.

My experience is that the Crips and Bloods are primarily looking to organize drug dealing -- gangs and violence are the vehicle for enforcing that end.

I've never been impressed that there is a huge resident market in Gettysburg for heroin, crack or crystal meth. Yes, drugs are used there, yes there are people working recovery. But it's a little hard for me to imagine that the town would be an attractive locale for drug dealing on a large scale.

The gangs generally want to intimidate through extremely public violence. Intimidation pays off for them over the long run.

Of course, extremely public violence would quickly threaten the major source of cash into the town, because who wants to stay/spend money or tour an area in the midst of a gang war?

It just seems to me that Gettysburg isn't an economically viable location for a gang war/drug paradise. Too many working people, too many businesses that would be directly threatened by public violence (and who would strongly support quick law enforcement response).

Not to mention the likelihood that a fairly high proportion of the tourists in the t-shirts and baseball caps are a) not likely to buy street drugs in town; b) comfortable using guns themselves; c) likely to themselves be law enforcement, military or ex-military on vacation and d) have strong feelings about the types of activities they are willing to tolerate in Gettysburg.

The average tourist on vacation who sees suspicious activity at their vacation locale will leave the area. The average tourist in Gettysburg is more likely to report something that looks suspicous. Many of us have a special place in our hearts for it, even though we don't live there year round. We don't strike me as a bunch who would stand idly by and do nothing.

Your milage may vary,
Karin Timour
Period Knitting -- Socks, Sleeping Hats, Balaclavas
Atlantic Guard Soldiers' Aid Society
Email: Ktimour@aol.com

bob 125th nysvi
02-16-2009, 11:44 AM
My experience is that the Crips and Bloods are primarily looking to organize drug dealing -- gangs and violence are the vehicle for enforcing that end.

I've never been impressed that there is a huge resident market in Gettysburg for heroin, crack or crystal meth. Yes, drugs are used there, yes there are people working recovery. But it's a little hard for me to imagine that the town would be an attractive locale for drug dealing on a large scale.

enough Karin, rural & quasi-rural America is very appealing to the meth crowd not for distribution purposes but for production purposes.

I live in one of the 4 poorest counties in NYS and behind agriculture and tourism some police local agencies believe drug production (meth and marijuana) is the third biggest industry.

Gettysburg is also within easy striking distance of 3 or 4 fairly lucrative drug markets (including upper end communities which can consume fairly significant amounts of coke). So if the gangs decided that Gettysburg suited its purposes as far as location and easy of production/distribution is concerned they'd covet control of the area.

Besides which the local police departments are rarely equipped to deal with sophisticated gangs like the Bloods and the Crips making it ideal territory to expand into.

KarinTimour
02-16-2009, 07:25 PM
Bob:

You're right, I did forget about the long history of meth manufacture in rural areas. And I think it's now more used in non-urban areas than urban areas. And you're right, I'm so used to non-driving drug dealers, that I don't think of Crips and Bloods as using cars. But as gangs with roots in LA, they must.

Are you seeing the Crips and Bloods in your area? Thanks for the reminder about how close Gettysburg is to crime and gang violence. I never really leave my street skills behind when I travel, but will be less relaxed in future Gettysburg trips.

Speaking of this, I was bummed to hear that they were moving into non-metropolitan Maryland. I also travel down through the Shenandoah Valley fairly regularly -- do those of you in Western Virginia see gang violence moving into your area too?

Sincerely,
Karin Timour
Period Knitting -- Socks, Sleeping Hats, Balaclavas
Atlantic Guard Soldiers' Aid Society
Email: Ktimour@aol.com

bob 125th nysvi
02-17-2009, 12:20 AM
Are you seeing the Crips and Bloods in your area? Thanks for the reminder about how close Gettysburg is to crime and gang violence.

Karin we aren't getting the Crips and Bloods in my county because basically the number of minority families is extremely small. Most of the drug production where I am is related to motorcycle gangs.

However I am within 35 miles of the Capital District in NY and the small cities there are seeing an increase in the gang membership mostly subsidaries of NYC gangs.

Funny but most people don't realize that the crime rate is higher in many small eastern cities than it is in the big ones and that even a small number of gang members can wreck havoc in a small community.

hhikker
02-18-2009, 06:17 AM
Bob:

Speaking of this, I was bummed to hear that they were moving into non-metropolitan Maryland. I also travel down through the Shenandoah Valley fairly regularly -- do those of you in Western Virginia see gang violence moving into your area too?

I live in Harpers Ferry WV, So I'm fairly close to the race track and slots. I see more tourists in HF than gang members, although you do have the Working Latin Crowd here but they keep to themselves. But if you go to Martinsburg, WV 20 min up RT9, I was speaking with a local paramedics after a run one night outside the hospital, they stated that Martinsburg was the center point of the gangs and the drug trade between Winchester VA and Hagerstown, MD. They stated the "Heroin Capitol of WV."

I think it was a few years back that the Mayor of Hagerstown MD said he was aware of the influx of drugs and drug dealers from the New York City and Washington DC, Baltimore, but refused to do anything about it because it boosted the economy of the city. Not sure what happened after that.

IMHO they should round up all these gang members and drop them in the desert at a hot LZ, weapons in one spot and ammo in another. and let them have at it.

The thing I'm confused about is that GB is a National Park shouldn't the Feds be involved in this?

tompritchett
02-18-2009, 08:22 AM
The thing I'm confused about is that GB is a National Park shouldn't the Feds be involved in this?

With all the budget cuts over the last 8 years, with what manpower would the Feds be able to use. Besides the Feds authority stops as soon as you step out of the park. However, you don't ever want to be pulled over speeding in a National Park as your speeding violation automatically becomes a Federal crime.