A Private looks at the Cleburne Statue

[Jubilo]

A statue of General Cleburne is to be unveiled in 2009 in Ringgold,Georgia.
Perhaps the reenacting units who portray an Army of Tennesee unit and /or others, could make an effort to visit the site if for no other reason than to show support for such a project . I have only seen a partial view of the statue but it does not apear to be mounted on a collie or possess the physique of Conan the Barbarian as some Civil War statuary does.
Statues smack of idolatry but it seems American ain't giving up on them so we may as well have some that we find interesting . Might be some Georgia fellers could help us out with more informatiion about this statue .
all for the old flag,
David Corbett

[brown30741]

Anybody remember the price tag on the statue? How many acres of land in Ringgold Gap does that price equal. Dont' worry, the developers will get the land, b/c that is one of Georgia's fast growing metro (Chattanooga, so it gets less attention than Atlanta) counties. I'm sure the housing there will be a very pretty tribute.

[GaWildcat]

Mr. Corbett,

Any idea when in 2009?? Ya got one Georgia Boy interested

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http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/06/50/17/image_8117506.jpg

[FloridaConfederate]

"Putting up a Confederate statue could be a cause of controversy in an age when Confederate symbols are being challenged across the South by those who find them an offensive reminder of slavery. Earlier this year, the small African-American community in overwhelmingly white Ringgold objected to the Confederate battle flag being flown over the town depot. The flag was taken down."

CAMERON McWHIRTER, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Sunday, December 28, 2008


Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[brown30741]

What that AJC article quote fails to point out is that the "Confederate flag" was taken down more than a year, there has been a lawsuit, and that the decision by the city government (now made twice) was not just made with the backing of the African-American in the community (and yes, I did just type African-American).
The Confederate flag that was removed was some modern printing of the Naval Jack or 1864-65 AoT battle flag. However, a Hardee Corps flag now flies from the same flag pole. Even those who objected to the original flag flown there at the Historic Depot, agreed that the Hardee Corps flag (the one carried by most of the CS men in Ringgold Gap during that late fall 1863 battle) was very fitting and represented the history of the area, without the baggage of the post-war abused St Andrew's cross inspired flag.
Ringgold has done the right thing, not just for PC/people's feelings reasons, but for good solid history. Anyone who has a problem with their decision cares less about ACW history than promoting an agenda to return to the policies of the mid 20th century.

Just in case you wanted to see one of a series of articles published in the Catoosa County News over the past few years. Ringgold is the county seat of Catoosa. Oh, and the largest battle fought in Catoosa County, Chickamauga, was fought even earlier before the Joe Johnston Dalton issue flags, so when were these late war flags carried in battle in Catoosa County?
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1365924&om=1

[FloridaConfederate]

So when were these late war flags carried in battle in Catoosa County?


I am not a CS flag flyer nor do I support its flying on public property outside of display over a CS grave or memorial. That said and if I understand your question regarding a Naval Jack or ANV style flag at Chickamauga..several units I know of in FL had already incorporated the "Battle Flag" into their State/unit produced flags.

Braxton Bragg recieved 50 flags in the ANV style with golden border in February of 1862.

From: Battle Flags of the Army of the Mississippi
/ Army of Tennessee, 1861 to late 1863

by Wayne J. Lovett drawing and notes by Howard M. Madaus



The first group of flags would be for General Braxton Bragg's forces arriving from the Gulf Coast. Fifty flags were funished on 25 February 1862 and sent to Beauregard through one of the regimental quartermasters of Bragg's congregating forces. These flags arrived at Jackson, Tennessee on 3 March 1862.

Although based on the eastern army's general design, the new Cassidy made battle flags differed from their Virginia counterparts in several respects. Their fields were made from a red wool-cotton blend, quartered diagonally by a dark blue St. Andrew's cross of similar material, the cross edged on its sides with 1" wide white cotton. Each of the four arms of the cross bore three white silk stars, totaling twelve, and hence suggesting that either Beauregard's personal headquarters battle flag or the battle flag that he had brought from Virginia for the 5th Company of Washington Artillery of New Orleans had served as the pattern for Cassidy. Moreover, rather than the Americanized 5-pointed stars, the flags that Cassidy produced would bear heraldically correct 6-pointed stars. Finally, a yellow serge or bunting border edged the three exterior sides of the flags.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Fl

[brown30741]

You are correct, there were some St Andrew's Cross inspired flags at Chickamauga. ANV flags with, well, the ANV men Longstreet brought on the eve and during the battle. Gracie's Brigade also had similiar flags. The ANV flag would have been square and the 2 versions of the so called Bragg Corps flag were even more different (and I have long sought evidence as to whether or not there were nay in use as late as Chickamauga). I do not claim there were no flags of that inspiration in the county, but there were no CS warships on the Chickamauga River, nor any 1864 issue flags b/c it wasn't yet 1864, so the exact flag they were flying was not historicly positioned in the right part of the South.
Also, while I may have slid into that aside, the main point is that at Ringgold Gap, the Hardee Corps was the flag of those men. Oh, and by the way, the Stars and Stripes was there in the hands of the United States Army.
Oh, and the CS memorials can certainly fly CS flags, and are protected by act of the Georgia legislature (hence the lawsuit), but I thought that Ringgold had found an even better flag to fly.

[Shermans_Neckties]

Ringold has another statue of an under-appreciated, almost forgotten CS general:

http://web.georgia.org/files/georgiatourism/2008/josephjohnston-thumb.jpg

Good ol' Joe Johnston.

[FloridaConfederate]

Ringold has another statue of an under-appreciated, almost forgotten CS general:

http://web.georgia.org/files/georgiatourism/2008/josephjohnston-thumb.jpg

Good ol' Joe Johnston.

Yes Sir. A true soldiers general and honorable man.

He carried Gen. WTS to his grave in inclement weather only to catch a pneumonia on his chest and die a few days later.

Chris Rideout
Tampa, Florida