Franklin 2009

[Leif Christensen]

Is there any info on Franklin 2009 ?
Besides that, is there any reenactments the week before or after that somewhere ? (When I am abroad I might as well attend more than one event).
thanks
Leif
Denmark

[Spinster]

Tell us more about the dates you will be in the country.

The land used in the past for the Franklin, Tennessee event is gone, gone, gone, paved over for yet more houses and roads, despite a number of best efforts.

Its likely though that your travel dates may encompass the Battle of Perryville, Kentucky, a few hours distance from that site, and an excellent program.

[Leif Christensen]

Hi
The reason why I think of that event is that I had some friends from Denmark at the Franklin 140years. But a lot of things can change in five years, thou.

We havent set the date yet, but the time of the season fits me well.
I believe the 140. reenactment was held one month before the actual date.

leif

[Jubilo]

Dear Folks,
Seems to me that a "commemorative " event could be staged at another location in the state . Tennessee is centrally located for most "Western " folks and 2009 is the 145th anniversary of The Battle of Franklin . In spite of being a one day affair it could be fought twice or incorporate a Spring Hill or other action to augment the event. Since Franklin seems to have developed an almost mystic aura for many folks, it seems a shame to ignore it.
all for the old flag,
David Corbett

[tompritchett]

In spite of being a one day affair it could be fought twice or incorporate a Spring Hill or other action to augment the event.

I would suggest the second event being the Battle of Nashville, the second half of the destruction of Hood's army.

[yankeecav]

There is an immersion event Nov. 13-15, 2009 in Georgia recreating the foraging parties of Sherman's March. http://www.bummers09.com/

[captdougofky]

I would suggest the second event being the Battle of Nashville, the second half of the destruction of Hood's army.

The last Big Franklin 140th we did the Battle of Nashville on Sunday. They had the trenches dug etc. Good time, even though infantry marched a long way. After that event and Miss. the next year big ones in the West haven't been the same. I agree Nashville and Franklin together on the same weekend. CPHer's get you shovels out, trenches to dig. Hood is heading your way.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

[RJSamp]

The last Big Franklin 140th we did the Battle of Nashville on Sunday. They had the trenches dug etc. Good time, even though infantry marched a long way. After that event and Miss. the next year big ones in the West haven't been the same. I agree Nashville and Franklin together on the same weekend. CPHer's get you shovels out, trenches to dig. Hood is heading your way.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

Tom and Doug: We also did Spring Hill at this one....that was the LONG march by the Infantry.....my good fortune to be mounted...

[WestTN_reb]

Tom and Doug: We also did Spring Hill at this one....that was the LONG march by the Infantry.....my good fortune to be mounted...
Poo on you. Mounted...pah!

I made the loooong march, too. I actually wore holes clean through the soles of my brogans on that march. We still have an ongoing joke in our company: When anyone says that something is only a mile away, we ask them if it's a regular or a "Spring Hill Mile".(this comes from Col. Moody telling us, "just one more mile." Six miles later, the joke was created.)

[captdougofky]

Tom and Doug: We also did Spring Hill at this one....that was the LONG march by the Infantry.....my good fortune to be mounted...

My gun didn't get to play on Sunday and I'm glad. I had a chance to watch the Nashville Battle. One of the best I've seen. That long march is still talked about. Being Artillery I didn't have to make it either. I saw the blisters on the men of the 46th Tenn. That's not my idea of fun. For those who like to march, you missed a good one.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

[captdougofky]

Dear Folks,
Seems to me that a "commemorative " event could be staged at another location in the state . Tennessee is centrally located for most "Western " folks and 2009 is the 145th anniversary of The Battle of Franklin . In spite of being a one day affair it could be fought twice or incorporate a Spring Hill or other action to augment the event. Since Franklin seems to have developed an almost mystic aura for many folks, it seems a shame to ignore it.
all for the old flag,
David Corbett

Franklin would be a good event for the 145th. Chance for us to kill off a few reenactor Generals and Top Heavy Brass units. We all know the West lost more Generals at Franklin than any other battle. Just a thought.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

[OVI]

Without the resources and hard work of the North-South Alliance (NSA), quality National events in the West are likely a thing of the past. Remember those past events and the dedicated folks who brought them to you with fondness.

Kent Dorr - Ohio
"Devils Own Mess"

[Jubilo]

Dear Sir ,
NSA dead ? Who or what killed it ? Why ?
all for the old flag,
David Corbett

[captdougofky]

Without the resources and hard work of the North-South Alliance (NSA), quality National events in the West are likely a thing of the past. Remember those past events and the dedicated folks who brought them to you with fondness.

Kent Dorr - Ohio
"Devils Own Mess"

I know who put them on. They don't have the following anymore. I did the Springhill in 98 with them as well. Bigger is not better in some cases and this might be a example of that.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

[Spinster]

Jublio,

Honey, give me a call. Some folks be a-stirring in the ashes.

[OVI]

Dear Sir ,
NSA dead ? Who or what killed it ? Why ?
all for the old flag,
David Corbett

David....the short answer is that like much in the hobby, the demise of the NSA comes from evolution. By that I mean constant change in leaders, agendas, interest, politics etc. When trust and communication wanes, strong united organizations wither and die. In a hobby without a central authority ( and Im not advocating one), things change and folks move on, either within the hobby or without. For many years the NSA, IMHO, stood as a shining example of the best efforts to provide quality events on a larger scale for everyone involved. And they did it with the best intentions to help preserve our history and our fields of honor. It was a good run and should not be forgotten.

If you want the long answer, someone else will have to speak up.

Kent Dorr - Ohio
"Devils Own Mess"

[captdougofky]

David....the short answer is that like much in the hobby, the demise of the NSA comes from evolution. By that I mean constant change in leaders, agendas, interest, politics etc. When trust and communication wanes, strong united organizations wither and die. In a hobby without a central authority ( and Im not advocating one), things change and folks move on, either within the hobby or without. For many years the NSA, IMHO, stood as a shining example of the best efforts to provide quality events on a larger scale for everyone involved. And they did it with the best intentions to help preserve our history and our fields of honor. It was a good run and should not be forgotten.

If you want the long answer, someone else will have to speak up.

Kent Dorr - Ohio
"Devils Own Mess"


I agree with you. Their time has past and with that the hobby moves on. I did 7 national events with what was 1stCD now AoT.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

[OVI]

I agree with you. Their time has past and with that the hobby moves on.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

Doug...since the thread began with a question about a 2009 Franklin event, I question that without the work of the NSA...who will be putting on quality Western Nationals? I suspect no one.

In fact Im of the opinion that the National events are by and large a thing of the past. Many forces are driving what remains of the hobby towards smaller regional events. Many thought the Nationals would last another five years to kick off the 150th Anniversary, but I dont see it. I have heard more than one reenacting veteran say that one last big Gettysburg will finish their careers...that may have been the 145th last year and not five years hence.

Kent Dorr - Ohio
"Devils Own Mess"

[skamikaze]

I may be asking a dumb question but, IS there going to be a 2009 Franklin event? A lot of guys out east are talking about one but no one has details or info, other than that they want to go.

[indguard]

We still have an ongoing joke in our company: When anyone says that something is only a mile away, we ask them if it's a regular or a "Spring Hill Mile".(this comes from Col. Moody telling us, "just one more mile." Six miles later, the joke was created.)

GOD, that march was a killer. We left the night before, camped on what would become the morning battlefield. I ended up sleeping for two hours, getting up and marching BACK to our original starting point to gather up two more companies that weren't arriving until Sat. morning, then marching those two companies all the way back to the morning battlefield... and THEN we made that other leg march where those "Springhill miles" kept mounting.

I was utterly surprised that I didn't develop any blisters that weekend.

But I SHO 'NUFF was tired that night.

WTH
The Doneandtired Mess

[captdougofky]

Doug...since the thread began with a question about a 2009 Franklin event, I question that without the work of the NSA...who will be putting on quality Western Nationals? I suspect no one.

In fact Im of the opinion that the National events are by and large a thing of the past. Many forces are driving what remains of the hobby towards smaller regional events. Many thought the Nationals would last another five years to kick off the 150th Anniversary, but I dont see it. I have heard more than one reenacting veteran say that one last big Gettysburg will finish their careers...that may have been the 145th last year and not five years hence.

Kent Dorr - Ohio
"Devils Own Mess"

I did Gettysburg this past July. Not the AHT but the GAC. I'll have to think long and hard before I make that trip out of Kentucky with a Cannon again. Diesel was 4.89 a gallon. As a organization Cleburne's Division has stepped up to the plate, here in the West. They have not lost sight of mainstream and family friendly units. The vision of a few though well meaning have hurt the hobby. As the ol' saying goes you don't push rope, can we all pull together? Its a shame egos play into a hobby so many enjoy. One need only to look at AHT and GAC this past summer to support this thought. The demise of the NSA in the West is but another example. Life and the hobby goes on, in what form and fashion only time will tell.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

[tompritchett]

The vision of a few though well meaning have hurt the hobby. As the ol' saying goes you don't push rope, can we all pull together? Its a shame egos play into a hobby so many enjoy. One need only to look at AHT and GAC this past summer to support this thought.

Reenactor Hat: I would like to add that the idea for a more authentic Gettysburg was being requested by many of the members here almost 4 or 5 years ago. All Chris and company did was answer this request with an event that offered these individuals what they were looking for without really hurting the GAC event at all. The only ones that were "hurt" were those who would have loved to attended Chris's event but felt obligated to attend the GAC event because 1) it was the one their unit voted on or 2) it was declared a Max event by their parent Bn or higher. Everyone on both sides need to remember that different reenactor groups have different expectations of what they want out of the hobby and out of specific events and, consequently, it is rare that one event can meet everyone's expectations.

Moderator Hat: Let's all accept that fact, stop arguing over it, and move on.

[RJSamp]

GOD, that march was a killer. We left the night before, camped on what would become the morning battlefield. I ended up sleeping for two hours, getting up and marching BACK to our original starting point to gather up two more companies that weren't arriving until Sat. morning, then marching those two companies all the way back to the morning battlefield... and THEN we made that other leg march where those "Springhill miles" kept mounting.

I was utterly surprised that I didn't develop any blisters that weekend.

But I SHO 'NUFF was tired that night.

WTH
The Doneandtired Mess

Just another reason that field grade officer's were mounted back then.....

(and I'm painfully aware that mounted officer's in small battalions at reenactments could mean injured soldiers).

[captdougofky]

Reenactor Hat: I would like to add that the idea for a more authentic Gettysburg was being requested by many of the members here almost 4 or 5 years ago. All Chris and company did was answer this request with an event that offered these individuals what they were looking for without really hurting the GAC event at all. The only ones that were "hurt" were those who would have loved to attended Chris's event but felt obligated to attend the GAC event because 1) it was the one their unit voted on or 2) it was declared a Max event by their parent Bn or higher. Everyone on both sides need to remember that different reenactor groups have different expectations of what they want out of the hobby and out of specific events and, consequently, it is rare that one event can meet everyone's expectations.

Moderator Hat: Let's all accept that fact, stop arguing over it, and move on.

Tom

I don't have a problem with choice, makes the world go around. Mr. Anders made the comment before his event the soul of the hobby was at stake. I didn't realize the hobby had one.

Always

Doug Thomas
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

[Leif Christensen]

Any news concerning a Franklin/Spring hill/Nashville event 2009 ?
Who is likely to organize it ?
Sorry to stir up the ashes, but is there going to be any "National Event" around september 2009 ?
I know of the view that "big isnt allways better" but when we are going that long way from europe we long to have a grand battle. Beside that it could be a fine appendix to have a smaller, one or two day event, the week before or after somewhere in driving distance.

Leif, Denmark

[Mint Julep]

I've read this thread with some mild amusement.

"Boy, it sure would be great if someone would pull a Franklin 145th event out of thin air and entertain me!"

Folks, if a decent event, even a mainstream event, were to be organized for Franklin 145th, planning, work, and advertising would already be done. Registration would be open by now. No one has stepped up, it is hard to find that kind of land and get that kind of commitment and the amount of work behind it is incredible. It is sad to see that people just expect an event to happen. I guess the NSA did a good job of providing the hobby what it wanted, but not enough people appreciated it enough to "keep it goen".

If you eastern boys are talking about a Franklin event, please tell us who is planning it and where it is. Or get a clue.

Leif, I don't know what kind of time frame you are working with, but there are quite a few British and French reenactors coming over for a week long event called "Into the Piney Woods". Website: http://www.intothepineywoods.com/

The organizers put together another event attended by the same European guys called Bank's Grand Retreat in the same location and about the same time of year, but it wasn't a week long. It was, however, a butt-kicking good event. It was not/will not be physically easy, but who wants something easy?

If you can only attend one event in the US this year, this is the one I recommend. It won't be "grand" or even large, but it will be the most authentic thing you do in 2009. I've been in the hobby for over 30 years and this type of event is the kind that keeps me in the hobby.

Feel free to PM me if you have questions.

[MD_Independent26]

I second Mr. Julep's recommendation. Into the Piney Woods will be a superb event, and, if you serve with the other Europeans coming over, you'll be in my company. Brushing up on my French and German now. Would be a good incentive to pick up some Danish in the next couple of months, too.

Bill Birney

[Leif Christensen]

Hi
thanks for the reply
I can see the event you mention is in March, we are planning to go for two weeks, late september, maybe the into october.
Thats why I keep asking about Franklin, cause I know it was held in that time of the year five years ago. I have no intention of arranging the event - ha ha.
last year nine of us went to mill Springs, Kt.
see ya
leif

[MD_Independent26]

It's ashame you boys didn't make it over last fall. You couldn't throw a stone west of the Appalachians without hitting a good event. They were piled on top of each other, causing some attendance problems but, for someone in the country for a short time, a perfect opportunity to get some good event time.

This year, things look a little less hectic. Depending on your impression, you may want to try
"The Lost Tribes'' event in Missouri... I made a trip to MO last year, and those trans-mississippians can put on a good event
http://authentic-campaigner.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=131

The same weekend, unfortunately, is Perryville, Kentucky. I've never been there, but it's been on my list for a long time. Some authentics usually put together some kind of 'adjunct' that, from the AAR's, usually go over well. Micah Trent, a chewer of Levi like myself and a frequenter of this board, would be the man to ask about this.
http://www.perryvillereenactment.org/

Or, if interested in doing something in the east, consider the "Death March XI" near Elmira, New York. Again, first weekend in October. I did the "DM" event last year and had a blast. This year looks to be even better. Contact me through email or PM is you'd like more info... I'll quote one of the 'movers and shakers' of the hobby on this one, after editing some semi-bad words...

"Rebs: Prepare to sketch maps, make works, eyeball federals, play with some artillery, get pushed back, and generally have a fine time resting here and there in some hilly country. You won't march far, but it will be steep. Tired of events without enough downtime to make a cup of coffee-like-brown-water, well.....here is one you'll like.

Yanks: Sharpen those axes and oil up those shovels. Yep, there is work to be done, and you're going to be tired doing it. You won't march as far as the rebs, but you'll figure out why after you start corduroying that boggy road.

Civilians: You may or may not (there's that stupid phrase again) see or hear a single thing all weekend, or you may have guests aplenty. Heck, it's the DM series of events, so who knows what will happen?

Cavalry: We've been joking about providing horses. This may or may not happen, but then again.....

Engineers & Pioneers: With about 10,000 of these impressions in the hobby, you'd think more than a handful would get off sutler row, and come out to play."


As for mainstream events, you may have better luck finding something. These three are the only events that I know of that I could recommend to anyone. Good luck,
Bill Birney
Columbia Rifles

[Spinster]

For a comparable experience to the NSA nationals, in the given timeframe, Perryville is your best bet.

Chad Green's newly organzied Western Blues (I imagine I have the name a bit off) is doing this event as Federal, and Perryville has a strong period ration program as an incentive to go Federal.

The site normally has an incoming march arranged of some distance- 5 or 10 miles.

You're closest major airport is Louisville, about an hour and a half from the site. You'll also want to allow extra time to tour in the area, with the prime spot to look over being nearby Shaker Village at Pleasant Hill, Ky--with some 30 building dating to the early 19th century and a strong interpretive program. Merchants Row in Perryville is also worth seeing.


For more adventure, but smaller numbers and more physical exertion, both the Lost Tribes event in Missouri, and the Death March event in New York state offer unique experiences.

Sigh, by quoting actual dates, Billy B has pointed out to me that I have somehow promised to be in two places at the same time next fall........:rolleyes:

[MD_Independent26]

I'm sorry for uncovering that little tidbit, Madame Lawson. One shouldn't have to make up one's mind until the weather forecasts are in. As for myself, if I'm alive and in the country, it'll be New York for me. Another year of blowing off Perryville, I guess....

Bill Birney
Fusils de Columbia

[flattop32355]

Mr. Greene's group is The Western Federal Blues. It doesn't require anyone to give up their present unit to participate. Just meet the moderate standards, and you're fine. I went last year. May well go again this year.

[Micah Trent]

The same weekend, unfortunately, is Perryville, Kentucky. I've never been there, but it's been on my list for a long time. Some authentics usually put together some kind of 'adjunct' that, from the AAR's, usually go over well. Micah Trent, a chewer of Levi like myself and a frequenter of this board, would be the man to ask about this.
http://www.perryvillereenactment.org/

Bill Birney
Columbia Rifles

Since Mr. Birney mentioned my name, I thought I would jump in for a few moments and put in a thought:
To tell you the truth, this past year at Perryville, the federal company was combined of Mainstream and C/P/H guys and everyone got along great. No "us vs. them". As Chad's adjutant, I was able to see a group of like minded individuals who all came to give their best representation of a western theater soldier for the public, as well as, to experience the life of an average every day soldier experiencing guard mount, picket duty, drill, issue of rations, issue pay, policing etc....you name it. It was done how reenacting should be done! Yes, there were guidelines to be followed, but I can tell you, that in our company there were good outfits and kits and some questionable outfits and kits, but not one person from our staff down all the way down to the lowest private made fun of, bashed, or disrespected any individual who was there. What made up for it was that they, the reenactors themselves, came with the right attitude and a willing to learn and have fun. They came to experience something that you don't get to experience often. They listened, they followed orders, if there was a question...they asked, and was replied to as any other indiviual would want....respectfully.
I'll get off my soapbox now. I know some of you are not fond of Perryville due to past experiences...let us not debate that on this thread. If you want to debate it, email me or PM me. But the past is the past, ya have to move on.

[Micah Trent]

I think everyone should experience Perryville at least once in their reenacting days. It is one of the few places where you get to reenact on an actual battlefield and not at some field several miles away. To majority of folks, to have the opportunity to step on the same field and where our ancestors fought, bled, and dies is an absolute honor and a privlege. Perryville is a beautiful place and the event gets better and better by the year. If anyone is interested in participating at Perryville dawning the blue suit...visit www.westernfederalblues.org or you can contact Chad Greene or myself.

Cheers!

[captdougofky]

I think everyone should experience Perryville at least once in their reenacting days. It is one of the few places where you get to reenact on an actual battlefield and not at some field several miles away. To majority of folks, to have the opportunity to step on the same field and where our ancestors fought, bled, and dies is an absolute honor and a privlege. Perryville is a beautiful place and the event gets better and better by the year. If anyone is interested in participating at Perryville dawning the blue suit...visit www.westernfederalblues.org or you can contact Chad Greene or myself.

Cheers!

Micah you and Chad Green must be looking through the same rose colored glasses. Less than a hundred reenactors last year. There are hundreds of us in Kentucky that would argue with your above statement. Mainstream need not apply. I've done Perryville over ten times not counting Boy Scout marches in my younger days. Better every year for who I ask. You and a few maybe, for the major part of reenactors in Kentucky Perryville is not on our list anymore. Thanks for the leadership.

Always Doug
Lyons Battery CS
Kentucky

[FloridaConfederate]

as posted by Tom Pritchett


"It all boils down to whether or not a reenactor is willing to abide by the rules and guidelines of the event, regardless of what type of event it is. If he or she is willing, then they are welcome; if they are not, then the event is usually better off without them."

No better example of the TPmod's words in action.

CJ Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Micah Trent]

Micah you and Chad Green must be looking through the same rose colored glasses. Less than a hundred reenactors last year. There are hundreds of us in Kentucky that would argue with your above statement. Mainstream need not apply.

Doug,

I know your beef with that event...LOL...we all do.
There were more then hundred reenactors there...most people who have been talking that and bashing it were from people who didn't even go to it. You say "mainstream need not apply." Re-read my post #33...you can see that mainstream did apply.
As I said earlier, let us not debate that here, PM me or email me.
BY the way Doug, what about that drink you still owe me?;)

[flattop32355]

Mainstream need not apply...Perryville is not on our list anymore.

Oh, I don't know about that....I seem to recall that I attended, and I'm mainstream, occasionally crossing over the fence. I had a fellow 30th OVI member there with me who is mainstream who has never crossed over to the "dark side", and enjoyed himself greatly. There were also a number of fellows from other units whom I'd not seen before at any events, and whom I could not possibly count as cph'ers, who seemed to function quite well. The doofus Reb cavalry who tried to win the war by their ownselves absolutely cannot be considered cph.

If the definition of mainstream relies solely upon whether the event pays an artillery bounty, provides ice, and allows huge coolers, your three main themes, then this was not a mainstream event.

However, for those of us who don't use those particular criteria as the basis for our assessment, I'd have to call it a somewhat upscaled, but not extremely so, mainstream event. Pretty much anyone could have attended who was willing to make a few minor (and I do mean minor) non-health related "sacrifices", and enjoy a few non-typical vingettes such as pay call, camp kitchen, a visit from the Christian Commission and a laundress, along with pulling a little guard duty.

[Hawkeye]

I see a lot of people asking, and not a lot of answers, concerning the 145th Anniversary of the Battle of Franklin. I hope I can get some of them answered.

I was at a small scale skirmish/living history June 20th at Carnton Plantation, in which I was able to talk to the guys from the 5th Kentucky about it. It seems as if they are trying to get the Battle kicked back up again.

I've heard rumors of the last weekend of November (Thanksgiving Weekend.) But it really just looks like a March.

I do know that the City only allowed Ten Cannon shots on Saturday (June 20th) and about an hour for Skirmishing.

Lots of red tape from the City Government is the problem.

[captdougofky]

I heard that most of the ground we played on was sold (GM-Saturn)? I may be wrong just what I heard. We had some big events back in the 90's there.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons-Kentucky CS

[Hawkeye]

There is still some land around Carnton, and a few other sites. But yea, there are homes everywhere now.

I think that's the city's problem too. There are so many homes, that they are afraid the cannons will hit one of 'em.

They are starting to bend just a little though. Just a little.

[Mint Julep]

I see a lot of people asking, and not a lot of answers, concerning the 145th Anniversary of the Battle of Franklin. I hope I can get some of them answered.

I was at a small scale skirmish/living history June 20th at Carnton Plantation, in which I was able to talk to the guys from the 5th Kentucky about it. It seems as if they are trying to get the Battle kicked back up again.

I've heard rumors of the last weekend of November (Thanksgiving Weekend.) But it really just looks like a March.

I do know that the City only allowed Ten Cannon shots on Saturday (June 20th) and about an hour for Skirmishing.

Lots of red tape from the City Government is the problem.

The march from Winstead Hill to the Carter House is an annual thing sponsored by the Carter House and heavily attended by the SCV. They generally have a company of infantry at the front and then a million flags being carried by SCV guys in hokey Bittner rental type get ups. The march is usually done on the actual date, November 30 and starts about 3:00 or 4:00. It ties up traffic on one of the busiest streets in Franklin for an hour or two. I doubt the city will allow two parades/marches this year.

The city is currently putting out some plans for an observance this year and to my knowledge it is the first time the city has tried to actually do something. I've lived here since 1968. But there wasn't any reenactment in the plans I heard. Some memorial service at the square or something.

If those guys are going to do something on the new battlefield land next to Carnton, they are going to have to get the city's partnership, since the city owns it. Good luck with that. The neighbors are a might touchy.

To the comment above regarding the Spring Hill property:
GM bought the Rippavilla farm when they were buying property for the Saturn plant. GM actually ran the farm for a profit for years, growing corn. They worked with us to put on events there several times and donated the Rippavilla house and the surrounding land (100 acres) to the county. They are under contract to sell the remaining land to a developer who wants to build malls, business offices and a whole residential complex in there. Last I heard, the city tabled the motion for the zoning change. In the current economic market, I'm not sure the developers will get financing for such a project, especially not from a local bank. And, GM has just announced that the plant is not getting the contract for the new small car they are putting into production, so the future of the GM plant is doubtful at the moment. If it closes, that will affect nearly 3,000 of the 25,000 people living here now. (The population of Spring Hill in 1980 was about 900.) Spring Hill is already having a lot of smaller businesses close, so a new project sounds pretty stupid. On the other hand, the board of alderman are almost all real estate agents or developers, so ... stupid might be the word of the day. We'll have to wait and see.

[kaelinv]

Just wanted to add some clarity from the "horses mouth" here.

This year the city of Franklin will be doing a series of events through out the weekend of November 27-29th. What I mean by this is...there will be demonstrations put on by various groups portraying artillery, infantry and Calvary. There will be speakers, and funnel cakes and all the things alike. There will be NO battle or re-enactment. As Joe as stated there is the annual march from Winstead hill that is always on the Anniversary and this steps off at 4pm for the 2 mile march.

Now on the other side of things, We are working with the city on some of these things through out the weekend but we are marching to our own drum if you will. WE are hosting a Preservation March for the Cotton Gin, this is an invitation only and we will be marching from Spring Hill to the Carter House following real time. For more details or information please email kaelin.vernon@gmail.com

If you are looking for an actual time and place of the action for the City's events...well there isnt one yet and they hope to have this posted very soon.

Respectfully
Kaelin Vernon
South Union Guards

[Trish Hasenmueller]

Thanks, Kaelin! I was hoping, as I read this thread, that one of you would speak up.

[Jim of the SRR]

Since Mr. Birney mentioned my name, I thought I would jump in for a few moments and put in a thought:
To tell you the truth, this past year at Perryville, the federal company was combined of Mainstream and C/P/H guys and everyone got along great. No "us vs. them". As Chad's adjutant, I was able to see a group of like minded individuals who all came to give their best representation of a western theater soldier for the public, as well as, to experience the life of an average every day soldier experiencing guard mount, picket duty, drill, issue of rations, issue pay, policing etc....you name it. It was done how reenacting should be done! Yes, there were guidelines to be followed, but I can tell you, that in our company there were good outfits and kits and some questionable outfits and kits, but not one person from our staff down all the way down to the lowest private made fun of, bashed, or disrespected any individual who was there. What made up for it was that they, the reenactors themselves, came with the right attitude and a willing to learn and have fun. They came to experience something that you don't get to experience often. They listened, they followed orders, if there was a question...they asked, and was replied to as any other indiviual would want....respectfully.
I'll get off my soapbox now. I know some of you are not fond of Perryville due to past experiences...let us not debate that on this thread. If you want to debate it, email me or PM me. But the past is the past, ya have to move on.


It is interesting to view the various viewpoints on things on this thread. Micah, I know you are a very quality and knowledgable reenactor, so please do not take offense at this post. First,we have to look at certain reenactors and groups who CLAIM to be c/p/h reenactors, yet never or rarely support the c/p/h events or c/p/h community. In my opinion, this makes them mainstream (no matter how progressive or authentic they are). Thus, you have people promoting them and their adjuncts as if they are c/p/h reenactors, when in fact they are NOT. When and which c/p/h events (NOT adjuncts) can we expect to see the Western Federal Blues at?
Ironically, Doug accuses your group and Perryville of trying to exclude mainstreamers. I guess the mainstream isn;t happy with your commitment to their events either. If you would use your skills, talents and knowledge to support c/p/h events, I know your reception would be much more welcome. Additionally, you may find that more c/p/h reenactors might support you if you showed support for them and their events. I can tell you that there is a backlash going on right now from the c/p/h community towards reenactors who never or rarely support c/p/h events or even worse, keyboard kampaigners (this is the resurgence of the "Who is 'Us'"? question again). "Us" can consist of "They", "Him", "We", "Me", "Those", "Them", "He" as long as they attend and support some c/p/h events during the year as well (it has little to do with the quality of the reenactor...that is another discussion).
Heck you can't claim to be on the bowling team if you are at the baseball field.

Regards,
Jim Butler

[flattop32355]

Ironically, Doug accuses your group and Perryville of trying to exclude mainstreamers. I guess the mainstream isn;t happy with your commitment to their events either.

deletion - THP; let's not single out specific individuals.

As you well know, I'm mostly mainstream, and I like that battlefield greatly. Not many are that pristine. It's also located midway between North and South, so no one has to drive a lot further than most other folks to get there. And it was one of the nastier battles of the war; that's always attractive.

[Jim of the SRR]

Removal of deleted material - THP

As you well know, I'm mostly mainstream, and I like that battlefield greatly. Not many are that pristine. It's also located midway between North and South, so no one has to drive a lot further than most other folks to get there. And it was one of the nastier battles of the war; that's always attractive.

Bernie,

The difference is that you actually DO attend c/p/h events as well!

Jim Butler

[captdougofky]

It is interesting to view the various viewpoints on things on this thread. Micah, I know you are a very quality and knowledgable reenactor, so please do not take offense at this post. First,we have to look at certain reenactors and groups who CLAIM to be c/p/h reenactors, yet never or rarely support the c/p/h events or c/p/h community. In my opinion, this makes them mainstream (no matter how progressive or authentic they are). Thus, you have people promoting them and their adjuncts as if they are c/p/h reenactors, when in fact they are NOT. When and which c/p/h events (NOT adjuncts) can we expect to see the Western Federal Blues at?
Ironically, Doug accuses your group and Perryville of trying to exclude mainstreamers. I guess the mainstream isn;t happy with your commitment to their events either. If you would use your skills, talents and knowledge to support c/p/h events, I know your reception would be much more welcome. Additionally, you may find that more c/p/h reenactors might support you if you showed support for them and their events. I can tell you that there is a backlash going on right now from the c/p/h community towards reenactors who never or rarely support c/p/h events or even worse, keyboard kampaigners (this is the resurgence of the "Who is 'Us'"? question again). "Us" can consist of "They", "Him", "We", "Me", "Those", "Them", "He" as long as they attend and support some c/p/h events during the year as well (it has little to do with the quality of the reenactor...that is another discussion).
Heck you can't claim to be on the bowling team if you are at the baseball field.

Regards,
Jim Butler

Can we expect to see the Western Federal Blues at Sacramento next year? Mainstream and a great event for the Cooler Crowd. Ask Confederal he can give you directions.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons-Kentucky CS

68qt.coolermess.com

[Leif Christensen]

Hi everybody
I have enjoyed to follow this thread turning and twisting.
It was started to hear if a the Franklin event similar to the one about five years ago was sceduled. We had some boys there, and they had a great event.
We were some Danish guys planning a trip this sept/oct. 'cause the season fitted us nicely and we could attend the events we are having here too.
Finally we managed to get a tour together were we would be at two events on one trip. Corinth and Perryville. Corinth was cancelled and some of the guys skedaddled but we are four (incl.my son at 14) going to Perryville.
I recon we'll be joining the Western Federal Blues.
So thanks for all your contributions - se ya
Leif

[Micah Trent]

Can we expect to see the Western Federal Blues at Sacramento next year? Mainstream and a great event for the Cooler Crowd. Ask Confederal he can give you directions.

Always
Doug Thomas
Lyons-Kentucky CS

68qt.coolermess.com

Doug,

It's the suspense that get's you isn't it?:rolleyes: Well...For the time being...we're going to keep you on the edge of your chair having you anxiuosly waiting to see what we do next. :mrgreen:

[Micah Trent]

To answer Jim's question. We've discussed through PM's and we understand each others views. And I take no offense in what he said. I understand his point of view and vice-versa.
Jim's main question and concern is: Will we see the Blues at a c/p/h/ EBUFU event? To answer. Not this 2009 year. However, with the quality leadership and experience we have on staff, you never know what the future holds and where we may show. ;)

[chad greene]

Gentlemen:
The Western Federal Blues will set the event schedule in January when we all get together at the Bottom's House on Perryville Battlefield. We have sent several inquiries to events including Westville and the Perryville living history events, which I believe are listed as c/p/h events or whatever category that we have now gotten into saying - used to be it was "farb" or "authentic" now I see we have several different categories of each - ah the war of the words goes on. I will gather event information and present it to folks during our annual pow wow.

To answer other people's criticisms about the Blues not attending c/p/h events - This is the first year we have been in the field as an organization. I also have to say that our members have attended many c/p/h events and for that matter "mainstream events" and enjoyed both of them. If you are pointing specifically at me for not attending these events - I am really shocked. I have attended Fort Duffield, Outpost, and served with the AOP ,which surely counts in that category, etc. etc. that I am guessing would fall in under the c/p/h event category. Additionally, I have attended Georgetown and Sacramento, Kentucky as well. I have not been terribly active in 2007 and 2008. Might be that a new wife, family and a horse farm has kept me from that. I take my family and my responsability to them very seriously. Additionally, I was a little burned out after 2006 at Perryville. I find it interesting that we are too this for some and too that for others. Interesting position to find oneself in.

Whatever we do in 2010 we will endeavor to represent the Western Federal Civil War soldier and honor his memory. I don't give a tinkers _)(+*& for labels and finger pointing. We have a clear goal - we are working hard to make sure that anyone who wishes to experience a slice of history has a home with the Western Federal Blues .

Hey back on subject - maybe it will be around Franklin, TN. The events I attended there with the Western Brigade and the AOP are some of the fondest memories I have. I hope to see another event like that when we can look and see soldiers as far as the eye can see. That to me represetened the CW better than anything - like I said before - that long blue line.
Chad Greene