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Greg Deese
07-03-2006, 09:40 AM
So is the collective hobby going to gather at P-Ville this year to reenact the very fine 2002 event? Will uniform standards be respected? Will bad impressions vanish from the event and not stain the honor of those hallowed fields? Will there be enough Federals? Who's complaining/campaigning? Will you be there?

I am going as Federal, I will shoot 20 rounds and then die, both days, unless someone needs a #4 cannoneer.

ewtaylor
07-03-2006, 05:26 PM
Its a National Event so there will be plenty of everything you mentioned. Most of the campaigners are going as Federal. I signed up for the "CS hardcore living history" but I'm also hoping to take part in the battles. Of course October is far away and anything can happen to ruin my plans. The battlefield is awesome, so if you have never been to Pville I suggest some of you Easterners try giving up one of your routine fall events in favor of this one. Cav and Artillery seem to complain about this event, but Pville trys to make it as accurate as they can. Which means cav and art. have less "play time". Hope to see you there,
ew taylor

flattop32355
07-03-2006, 06:16 PM
There will be an event. Beyond that, it's a matter of individual outlook and preference as to whether it will have been worth the effort.

Many will go and enjoy themselves. Some will go and bitch about everything and say, "I told you so!". Others will not go and do the same thing. Some will find both good and not so good points about it.

Each will take out of it what he/she put into it, modified by the attitude they brought to the event.

Personally, I'm going to have a very good event. I'll be with good friends, and intend to meet some more from these fora whom I've wanted to make aquaintance for some time. I'll be wearing (hopefully ;)) my new pair of Karen Timor custom-made socks. I'll be seeing a significant number of Eastern Feds who have made the effort to come West, partly because I support them by coming East. I'll be back on the field where my son and I first took the field as reenactors in '03. I'll get to interact as much as I wish with folks who want to know more about what they did then and why I do this now. If I get lucky, I'll interact with the civilians reenactors, maybe in more than one capacity.

Yup, I'm gonna have grand time. How 'bout you?

TeamsterPhil
07-03-2006, 06:48 PM
Greg,

Go to Perryville. Enjoy the experience in the AoP. Ignore any "boogers" and relish the cameraderie around the campfire.

The NSA seems to be doing their best to improve after a perceived slide in standards. Either support them in the effort, make some constructive suggestions on the NSA board, keep the negative & snide comments on the OTB or refrain from posting flame bait.

Phil Campbell

captdougofky
07-03-2006, 09:02 PM
I hope Perryville this year is better for Artillery than 02 I spent a lot of money
for the chance to shoot behind the barn a mile from the battle, Chad Green has calm the fear of a number of guns here in Kentucky and Tenn. in respect to us being involved. I have been going to Perryville since I was in the Boy Scouts and now I have my AARP card so you can imagine I like Perryville and hope to have a great time there this year.

Always Doug
Lyons Battery
Kentucky

tenfed1861
07-04-2006, 06:06 AM
Doug,
I don't wish to sound like a know-it-all.I believe the reason the arty was placed a mile to the rear was to give it a more historical accurate feel to the general public.That's all.I do hope you get up to a better spot.
Cullen Smith

Doug Cooper
07-04-2006, 07:39 AM
Greg,

Go to Perryville. Enjoy the experience in the AoP. Ignore any "boogers" and relish the cameraderie around the campfire.

The NSA seems to be doing their best to improve after a perceived slide in standards. Either support them in the effort, make some constructive suggestions on the NSA board, keep the negative & snide comments on the OTB or refrain from posting flame bait.

Phil Campbell

Can we make this post a sticky in bold? Well said Phil.

Greg - as far as I know the NSA is not planning on reenacting the 2002 event. Last I checked the goal was to reenact the 1862 event.

tompritchett
07-04-2006, 08:21 AM
Can we make this post a sticky in bold?

Unfortunately, no. The sticky option applies only to threads and not posts within the thread. Sorry.

However, parts or all of the pertinent parts of Phil's post could be incorporated into either yours or Phil's signatures.

Thomas H. Pritchett,
Moderator

TeamsterPhil
07-04-2006, 10:36 AM
Thank you gents. And to think I have been accused of being "mean-spirited, uncredentialed, uncultured and uneducated white trash".

Phil Campbell
OTB Goon Squad

indguard
07-04-2006, 10:50 AM
Greg - as far as I know the NSA is not planning on reenacting the 2002 event. Last I checked the goal was to reenact the 1862 event.

Ha, ha! THAT couldn't be MORE true!!

I think Perryville '06 will be the best one yet. We are working hard to make it so, anyway!

After all, how many events are actually ON a REAL battlefield, and how many events that you pay to attend have the money actually going to PRESERVE that battlefield???

Not many, for sure!

Come on out, folks. You'll love it.

-Warner Todd Huston

Greg Deese
07-04-2006, 05:35 PM
Reenacting the 2002 reenactment of the 1862 battle, it was a joke dudes.

As far as "negative" comments about Perryville in 2002, I really had none to speak of except for my new $90 civilian slouch hat that flew into the Chaplain River downtown while crossing a bridge in high wind. Other than that, Perryville 2002 was a milestone for this hobby and has been referenced numerous times for the last 4 years.

I would like to see the mass of Federals again and groups like the AOP on the line. Usually if I have a problem with an event, I won't waste taking the weekend off or driving 500 miles to repeat the experience. So in regards to snide or negative comments, this wouldn't be the case with this event. Hopefully the other 2,000+ reenactors that attend will read my comments and agree that it's a good opportunity to reenact some history on the actual ground. Maybe they will make an above standard effort to surpass the 2002 benchmark. Is that positive enough?

Thanks for the "smack on the snout" Phil and Doug, can't seem to whisper a comment on anything in the hobby these days without the goon squad going to Defcon 1. Maybe you should rename it the "altruistic, happy-go-lucky, agape, brotherly love, rainbow squad", nope, that would be a da*n lie. So it's really a very negative thing. Here's an idea, maybe we don't need a goon squad.

TeamsterPhil
07-04-2006, 06:26 PM
Greg,

I really like idealistic guys that wish for "the perfect world". At times, I have been accused of being one. If I didn't enjoy reading your posts, I wouldn't take the time to prod you on this forum -- you'd have been a POTD over on "that other board".

Phil
Might not make P'ville, but I'm sure I'll see ya at an event in the future. Maybe I-600 next year? You haven't heard all my exciting Ft Delaware stories, yet.

Button Whizzer
07-04-2006, 06:35 PM
After all, how many events are actually ON a REAL battlefield, and how many events that you pay to attend have the money actually going to PRESERVE that battlefield???

Maybe at least 100 each year. Probably more counting the many wonderful living histories on actual battlefields.

Anyone ever make a list?

Brandon

Greg Deese
07-04-2006, 07:31 PM
Sometimes Phil I think we do a little too much refraining. Things evolve because we do make comments, either positive or negative. My only purpose in this thread was to encourage some talk about Perryville, which is one of those rare events that can actually deliver the battle reenactment experience without becoming a turbofest. Hint, hint, hint.

Just because it burns a little, doesn't mean it's "flame." The "flame bait" term has been used to often to destroy any critcism or observation, it's thrown on any uncomfortable discussion, since 2002, the heat has decreased and we have been on low simmer, but you can't cook anything on that level. So maybe a "hot" discussion has some uses. Otherwise we end up discussing "prior military experience" and what the KKK is doing this summer, on the AC, this board and the CCG. It's the same vapid discussions, with different forum skins.

Either support them in the effort, make some constructive suggestions on the NSA board, keep the negative & snide comments on the OTB or refrain from posting flame bait.

Complaints aren't always a bad thing or negative for the producer. Good companies and professionals welcome complaints from their customers, it gives them an idea on "what they could do better." It's when people quit complaining and selling their gear to leave the hobby, that's the point where numbers decrease, people leave the hobby for good and events cease to exist. All becasue someone was told to quit complaining, making comments or
squelched by the "experts."

If you really want to eliminate the farbiness in the hobby then let everyone complain, make negative remarks, debate, rant and rave, to include the farbs and other people (like me) who don't know always have a clue what they are talking about. Just like we used to in the 1990's.

flattop32355
07-05-2006, 01:22 AM
Just because it burns a little, doesn't mean it's "flame." ... since 2002, the heat has decreased and we have been on low simmer, but you can't cook anything on that level. So maybe a "hot" discussion has some uses.

When I try to cook the bacon over the flames, I burn the bacon. When I do it over the coals, it turns out well. Too much heat or too little, the result is not what we hoped for.

Hoosiertrooper
07-05-2006, 01:22 PM
...that the Registration Fee jumps from $10 to $20 after July 31.

Federals can register on line through the event site or through the AoP.

Confederate members of the Army of Tennessee (former First Confederate Division) must go to the NSA site (nsalliance.org) and download the AoT registration form and mail it in. Non-AoT Confederates may register on line through the event site.

ALL registrations require an accompanying Perryville Park Waiver. There is a copy on the NSA web site.

As to artillery placement, etc. - The purpose of the Perryville RE-enactment is to portray those events that took place in October 1862 to the greatest degree of historical accuracy. The artillery and cavalry will be used as history dictates. There will be a cavalry-centric battle on Saturday morning (non-spectator) that re-enacts Wheeler's action against Gay's Federal cavalry in the days leading up to the Perryville battles. There will be a Saturday morning preservation march by the AoP Federals opposed by selected CS units.

As a "national" event, there will be something for everyone. On the CS side, the AoT under Mike Moore will enforce their impression standards, which are more stringent than those of the event. The AoT will portray Bragg's army in the Kentucky Campaign - "campaign" being the operative word. The AoT will stress the authenticity of it's camps, military camp-life, correct flags and the use of wagons and teamsters for campaign transport. Campaigner Confederates are can find a home in the AoT.

Non- AoT Confederates may register and fall in with a group of like minded Confederates.

The Federal side offers a range of experiences under Mark Dolive, ranging from the campaign style of the AoP to the mainstream camps.

Like any "big" event like this, you'll probably get out of it what you put into it.

Eastern Federal and Confederate contingents are coming "west" to participate.

It IS a terrific site on historic ground, little changed since October 1862, and devoid of most of the development and commercialism associated with some sites. Perryville does see 100% of your registration fee go towards preservation, so it's a good cause.

Perryville has often been referred to as the "Gettysburg of the West." The Confederate withdrawal from Perryville changed the face of the war in Kentucky, a pivitol battleground in the west, leaving Kentucky firmly in the union and depriving the Confederacy of the men and farm-stuffs from this region.



Mike Ventura
Chief of Staff
Army of Tennessee

FWL
07-05-2006, 02:24 PM
[QUOTE=Hoosiertrooper
Perryville has often been referred to as the "Gettysburg of the West." The Confederate withdrawal from Perryville changed the face of the war in Kentucky, a pivitol battleground in the west, leaving Kentucky firmly in the union and depriving the Confederacy of the men and farm-stuffs from this region.



Mike Ventura
Chief of Staff
Army of Tennessee[/QUOTE]


Ok Mike here's one for you. I'm trying to get there from New England (Mass that is). I'm considering the big bird option on Southwest as its actually very reasonable if one books on line. It will save me two days travel time. Question is how do I get there from the air port and back? If I have to rent a car the economics will kill that idea.

Regards

flattop32355
07-05-2006, 03:23 PM
Ok Mike here's one for you. I'm trying to get there from New England (Mass that is). I'm considering the big bird option on Southwest as its actually very reasonable if one books on line. It will save me two days travel time. Question is how do I get there from the air port and back? If I have to rent a car the economics will kill that idea.
Regards

I'll go out on a limb here and say that it may be possible to arrange for some poor, misguided fool to meet up with you.

Which airport? What time does the flight (supposedly) arrive? When do you fly back out? Do you mind potentially waiting around for long periods in an airport?

It won't hurt to see if something can be arranged.

RJSamp
07-05-2006, 03:42 PM
OK Frank Lilley, call me the misguided fool. Let me know when you arrive in Louisville on THURSDAY Noonish and I'll pick you up.....did it for the AOP's Oregon based bugler in 2002. We shared a room on Sunday night, showered and had a great sleep before he flew off Monday. I'll probably just head straight back this time and may be coming with a few comrades, but we should have room in the SUV for you.

email me at rjsamp@ameritech.net or cell phone 630.561.3249

you will learn the bugle calls on the drive to the park. Maybe even stop off at Maker's Mark so we can reenact the 21st Wisconsin's drunken camp fire and sing a long a few days before the battle.....look it up in NOE if you don't believe the authenticity.

RJ Samp

FWL
07-05-2006, 03:52 PM
OK Frank Lilley, call me the misguided fool.
you will learn the bugle calls on the drive to the park. Maybe even stop off at Maker's Mark so we can reenact the 21st Wisconsin's drunken camp fire and sing a long a few days before the battle.....look it up in NOE if you don't believe the authenticity.

RJ Samp


RJ just checked the air fares and they have jumped big time (about $350 RT vs $120 from before) looks like I'll be car pooling. It was a thought but I appreciate the offer. After all you know I'm a civil war bugler groupie. However your offer sounds dangerous enough for me to consider further. I just hate taking two days of vac time just for driving. Thanks

PS plan was to arrive in Louiville from Providence RI on Fri around noon and return on Sunday night but who knows.

regards

RJSamp
07-06-2006, 11:11 AM
Unfortunately? I'm on Federal Division Staff and we show up on Thursday afternoon.....but I'll bet there's a few boys coming through LewVuhl Friday.....

Hope to see you there!

8thILCavalry
07-06-2006, 11:33 AM
parts of my unit will be there at Perryville. Just hoping there is now hurricane to get us wet.